Dear Toni, Thank you for taking the time to explain - makes perfect sense and I believe I get it now. So this seems to be (at least partly) a question of: In which countries will FxOS phones ship and making sure we support all languages in those countries?
Warmly, P On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Toni Hermoso Pulido < [email protected]> wrote: > Al 19/01/13 17:59, En/na Pascal Finette | Mozilla ha escrit: > > Hi, > > > > The builds shipped with the phones are the ones with fewer locales, > >> which is the main concern for localizers. And also my main concern to > >> discuss here if this is something OEMs are asking us to do and if so, > why. > > > > > > I am not 100% sure I understand the specific concern around Telco's > > shipping (only) a specific set of locales tailored to the market they > sell > > the phone in. As this is a piece of hardware which is tied to a Telco and > > sold only in one market - why would you want to have all possible > languages > > on the phone? If, say a Telco would sell the phone in Russia > > (hypothetically), that particular phone would only be sold and used in > > Russia (as it's tied to the specific Telco). You would want to have all > > languages on the phone which are relevant to that market (plus probably a > > set of "global" languages such as English, Spanish, etc) - but why would > it > > matter that you have Scottish Gaelic on the phone? > > > > I would love to understand that concern better. > > > > Hello all, > > first of all, thanks to Nukeador for bringing the issue here. > Let me help you to understand a bit the concerns from a point of view of > a speaker of a minorised (not necessarily minor) language. > > As example of what Ruben explains, I can tell you about what happened a > few months ago with some Android-shipped Samsung devices in Spain. Even > Android was localised in Catalan for long enough, the company didn't > ship it in that language in the Spain market for whatsoever reason > ( > http://www.324.cat/noticia/1665832/ciencia/Samsung-Espanya-veta-el-catala-als-mobils > ) > After that, there was a public outcry and, AFAIK, new Samsung devices > are currently shipped in Catalan. However, I'm not sure if other > potential languages (in the Spanish market) were lucky enough to be > included as well. > > Focusing on Mozilla, assuming that there is a partnership involved > —ergo, Firefox brand and logos are used—, can we know whether a FirefoOS > phone to be shipped in UK will include Scottish Gaelic? And, let's say, > the same for Ligurian in Italy? > I can understand that some telcos or third parties may not have > 'resources'/will to translate their own extra/custom apps in these > languages, but I think there should be an easy way that interested users > might enable these locales (and ideally also have their localised > vanilla apps). Third parties might always offer a disclaimer of not > having a fully localised experience for some locales but, at least, I > think they should not block/remove them. > Allowing these locales to be enabled, you are also facilitating that a > webapp ecosystem considering these languages can exist. > > From a localiser point of view, I would love to have a clearer idea of > the real product expectations for the different involved locales. As you > can understand, telling our voluntary localisers that their > contributions might end up being only accessible to a super-reduced > geeky public does not help to motivate them. > > Best, > > -- > Toni Hermoso Pulido > http://www.cau.cat > _______________________________________________ > governance mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance > _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
