Aloha all
just wanted to confirm that the Canadians process GPS and GLONASS just fine.
Attached are two Canadian produced .sum files generated from two runs
done in August, capture was done with an F9P-L1/L2 without SBAS with
5sec interval between samples
Enabling/disabling constellations with
ubxtool -d BEIDOU
ubxtool -d GALILEO
ubxtool -e GLONASS
ubxtool -d SBAS
ubxtool -e GPS
Verify with
ubxtool -p CFG-GNSS | grep CFG-GNSS -A 20
Lower the acqusition rate, our base station is definitely not moving
ubxtool -p CFG-RATE,5000,1
Filenames YYYYMMDD-8h-raw.ubx
The runs were captured with
gpspipe -x 28800 -R > 20250808-8h-raw.ubx
Process into universal GNSS JSON format with
gpsdecode < 20250808-8h-raw.ubx >20250808-8h-raw.json
Create a RINEX3 observation file for submittal to a PPP provider
gpsrinex -F 20250808-8h-raw.json -i 30 -n 960 which will produce a file
named
gpsrinex2025217234351.obs
Submit this file to the Canadian CSRS-PPP service.
SW Version UBX_F9_100_HPG151_ZED_F9P.6c43b30ccfed539322eccedfb96ad933.bin
Does anyone know if the report's accuracy improves over time with the
measured satellite positions becoming more accurate? If so what would be
the best delay for asking for a PPP analysis?
HTH, Werner
On 11/22/25 14:59, Gary E. Miller wrote:
Yo Hans!
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 23:04:28 +0100
Hans Mayer<[email protected]> wrote:
So I decided I give it a try again after years.
My environment is an U-BLOX ZED-F9P (PROTVER=27.12)
with an antenna HAB-ANN-MB-00-00 fix mounted on the top of the roof
of my house.
Which F9P model? L1/L2, or L1/L5. With or without SBAS?
Did you verify the correct signals were enabled. As in:
ubxtool -g CFG-SIGNAL
https://gpsd.io/ubxtool-examples.html#_checking_constellations_gen9
Got the dynamic model set to fixed? Like this:
ubxtool -g CFG-NAVSPG-DYNMODEL,0
https://gpsd.io/ubxtool-examples.html#_gen9_7
I did run twice a measurement as described in example 1 of the man
page. The first with 12 hours 46 min and the second with 12 hours.
This was the command line I used:
gpsrinex -i 30 -n 1440 --ant_num 2 --observer mayer --ant_type
HAB-ANN-MB-00-00 localhost:gpsd:/dev/serial0
Looks good. But the ant-type is not one of the "official" choices.
When I got the first result I was impressed.
I got a 95% sigma of 12 mm for lat and 10 mm for long.
So I started a second run with 12 hours.
There I got 15 mm and 22 mm as result of sigma. Not so bad I thought.
But then I calculated the distance between this two geolocations.
And the result was disillusioning. The distance is 164 mm , far away
of this 95% sigma.
Wow. First I have heard of anyone doing that. Disappointing. I'll
have to give that a try, I nevver thought to compare two runs.
About 2 years ago I tried to find the accurate position by averaging.
I run 12 times 24 hours measurements.
When I calculate the distance between this result and the gpsrinex
result I get more than half a meter.
So I am not sure what I should believe what is true and what is wrong.
"A man with more than one watch never knows what time it is."
There is a USGS benchmark near me, for a long time I thgouht I should
run a test with my antenna over the known position. Uh, oh. Looking
at that benchmark, it does not have any accuracy specified...
And there is another question.
At the Canadian PPP service I read now they support GLONASS and
Galileo too.
So they say. Did not work for me last time I tried.
So I left both systems in the config enabled. But the final report
didn't list them.
Dunno what's with that. I have emailed them a few times. But the
operators have zero clue as to what the program they run actually
does.
RGDS
GARY
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Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703
[email protected] Tel:+1 541 382 8588
Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas?
"If you can't measure it, you can't improve it." - Lord Kelvin
HDR GRP CANADIAN GEODETIC SURVEY, SURVEYOR GENERAL BRANCH, NATURAL RESOURCES
CANADA
HDR EMA [email protected]
VER 5.13.0 (2025-06-16)
NOW 2025-08-08 02:38:21.00
RNX gpsrinex2025220004548.obs
MKR XXXX
MOD STATIC
BEG 2025-08-07 23:15:30.01
END 2025-08-08 00:14:30.01
INT 30.00
EPO 115 115 120
EXE 1 sec
OBS G C1C C2C L1C L2C
PAR TYPE SYS SIG SAT INIT NOISE
PAR POS_X 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR POS_Y 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR POS_Z 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR TZD 5.000e-02 5.000e-05
PAR TZD_GRAD_N 3.000e-03 1.667e-06
PAR TZD_GRAD_E 3.000e-03 1.667e-06
PAR RX_CLK G 1.000e+10 1.000e+10
PAR AMB G L1C ALL 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR AMB G L2C ALL 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR RX_USD G L1 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR RX_USD G L2 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR RX_USD G C1C 1.000e+10 1.000e+10
PAR RX_USD G C2C 1.000e+10 1.000e+10
PAR STEC G ALL 1.000e+10 1.000e-01
SP3 EMR1DCBULT_20252190100_01D_05M_ORB.SP3
CLK EMR1DCBULT_20252190100_01D_30S_CLK.CLK
ERP EMR1DCBULT_20252190100_01D_01D_ERP.ERP
BIA EMR1DCBULT_20252190100_01D_01D_OSB.BIA
ADV EMR1DCBULT_20252190100_01D_01D_ADV.ADV
ATX igs20_2370_nrcan.atx
VMF [ah|aw|zh|zw]25219.h18
VMF [ah|aw|zh|zw]25220.h00
VMF [ah|aw|zh|zw]25220.h06
SNX igs_satellite_metadata.snx
ELV 7.5
TZD VMF1
REC Unknown
ANT NOT FOUND
ARP 0.000 0.000 0.000
OTL otl_displacement.otl
OTL FES2014b COMPUTED BY GROOPS: A software toolkit for gravity field recovery
and GNSS processing. Computers & Geosciences,
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cageo.2021.104864
IAR GPS 64.43%
IAR ALL 64.43%
AVF 1.000
APR RINEX
ELL GRS80
POS CRD SYST EPOCH A_PRIORI ESTIMATED DIFF
SIGMA(95%) CORRELATIONS
POS X NAD83 25:219:85500 -5486503.9100 -5486499.8917 4.0183
0.1294 1.0000
POS Y NAD83 25:219:85500 -2443963.6700 -2443962.5748 1.0952
0.0361 0.8433 1.0000
POS Z NAD83 25:219:85500 2140099.2200 2140094.6703 -4.5497
0.0502 -0.9478 -0.8953 1.0000
POS LAT NAD83 25:219:85500 19 44 1.22341 19 44 1.12935 -2.8925
0.0138 1.0000
POS LON NAD83 25:219:85500 -155 59 21.88991 -155 59 21.86812 0.6346
0.0305 0.2049 1.0000
POS HGT NAD83 25:219:85500 387.3921 381.9815 -5.4106
0.1394 0.1085 -0.7669 1.0000
PRJ TYPE ZONE EASTING NORTHING SCALE_POINT SCALE_COMBINED HEMISPHERE
PRJ UTM 5 186659.209 2184768.918 1.00081376 1.00075367 N
PRJ MTM OUTSIDE_PROJ_LIMIT
OHT SYST MODEL HEIGHT
OHT CGVD2013 CGG2013a 362.7196
GHT 19.2619
OFF 5667136.6363 0.6543 ns
DRI 12091332.2130 ns/day
RES G C1C 0.840
RES G C2C 0.505
RES G L1C 0.004
RES G L2C 0.003
RES ELV G_C1C G_C2C G_L1C G_L2C
RES ELV 5.0 3.156 1.139 0.013 0.008
RES ELV 15.0 1.163 0.598 0.004 0.003
RES ELV 25.0 0.680 0.686 0.005 0.003
RES ELV 35.0 0.269 0.322 0.004 0.002
RES ELV 45.0 0.375 0.337 0.003 0.002
RES ELV 55.0 0.416 0.380 0.003 0.002
RES ELV 65.0 0.327 0.275 0.003 0.002
RES ELV 75.0 0.707 0.225 0.002 0.001
RES ELV 85.0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
FLG PRN EPO TRK CLK EPH ELV YAW DCB SLP MIS RES
FLG G01 115 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G03 115 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G04 115 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G06 89 13 0 0 13 0 0 1 0 0
FLG G07 115 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G09 115 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G17 115 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G19 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G30 21 7 0 0 27 0 0 1 0 0
FLG G31 29 36 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0
FLG J02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG J03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG J04 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG J07 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG GXX 829 57 0 0 40 0 0 5 0 0
FLG JXX 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
HDR GRP CANADIAN GEODETIC SURVEY, SURVEYOR GENERAL BRANCH, NATURAL RESOURCES
CANADA
HDR EMA [email protected]
VER 5.13.0 (2025-06-16)
NOW 2025-08-09 22:43:00.00
RNX gpsrinex2025221223941.obs
MKR XXXX
MOD STATIC
BEG 2025-08-08 23:48:00.00
END 2025-08-09 07:46:30.01
INT 30.00
EPO 937 938 959
EXE 10 sec
OBS G C1C C2C L1C L2C
OBS R C1C C2C L1C L2C
PAR TYPE SYS SIG SAT INIT NOISE
PAR POS_X 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR POS_Y 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR POS_Z 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR TZD 5.000e-02 5.000e-05
PAR TZD_GRAD_N 3.000e-03 1.667e-06
PAR TZD_GRAD_E 3.000e-03 1.667e-06
PAR PCO_X R 1.000e-02 0.000e+00
PAR PCO_Y R 1.000e-02 0.000e+00
PAR PCO_Z R 1.000e-02 0.000e+00
PAR PCV_U R 3.000e-03 0.000e+00
PAR PCV_N R 3.000e-03 0.000e+00
PAR PCV_E R 3.000e-03 0.000e+00
PAR RX_CLK G 1.000e+10 1.000e+10
PAR RX_CLK R 1.000e+10 1.000e+10
PAR AMB G L1C ALL 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR AMB G L2C ALL 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR AMB R L1C ALL 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR AMB R L2C ALL 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR RX_USD G L1 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR RX_USD G L2 1.000e+10 0.000e+00
PAR RX_USD G C1C 1.000e+10 1.000e+10
PAR RX_USD G C2C 1.000e+10 1.000e+10
PAR RX_USD R C1C 1.000e+10 1.000e+10
PAR RX_USD R C2C 1.000e+10 1.000e+10
PAR STEC G ALL 1.000e+10 1.000e-01
PAR STEC R ALL 1.000e+10 1.000e-01
SP3 EMR1DCBULT_20252200800_01D_05M_ORB.SP3
CLK EMR1DCBULT_20252200800_01D_30S_CLK.CLK
ERP EMR1DCBULT_20252200800_01D_01D_ERP.ERP
BIA EMR1DCBULT_20252200800_01D_01D_OSB.BIA
ADV EMR1DCBULT_20252200800_01D_01D_ADV.ADV
ATX igs20_2370_nrcan.atx
VMF [ah|aw|zh|zw]25220.h18
VMF [ah|aw|zh|zw]25221.h00
VMF [ah|aw|zh|zw]25221.h06
VMF [ah|aw|zh|zw]25221.h12
SNX igs_satellite_metadata.snx
ELV 7.5
TZD VMF1
REC Unknown
ANT NOT FOUND
ARP 0.000 0.000 0.000
OTL otl_displacement.otl
OTL FES2014b COMPUTED BY GROOPS: A software toolkit for gravity field recovery
and GNSS processing. Computers & Geosciences,
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cageo.2021.104864
YAW R18 2025-08-09 00:33:30 2025-08-09 00:37:30 1.79 NOON GLONASS
YAW R19 2025-08-09 01:54:30 2025-08-09 02:02:00 1.23 NOON GLONASS
YAW R20 2025-08-09 03:20:30 2025-08-09 03:31:30 0.03 NOON GLONASS
IAR GPS 16.38%
IAR GLO OFF
IAR ALL 16.38%
AVF 1.000
APR RINEX
ELL GRS80
POS CRD SYST EPOCH A_PRIORI ESTIMATED DIFF
SIGMA(95%) CORRELATIONS
POS X IGb20 25:221:13635 -5486505.3500 -5486500.7878 4.5622
0.0300 1.0000
POS Y IGb20 25:221:13635 -2443962.5000 -2443961.3566 1.1434
0.0139 0.6815 1.0000
POS Z IGb20 25:221:13635 2140100.6100 2140094.5024 -6.1076
0.0146 -0.8331 -0.6008 1.0000
POS LAT IGb20 25:221:13635 19 44 1.25674 19 44 1.12066 -4.1844
0.0077 1.0000
POS LON IGb20 25:221:13635 -155 59 21.94674 -155 59 21.91885 0.8119
0.0099 -0.1368 1.0000
POS HGT IGb20 25:221:13635 388.6515 382.2286 -6.4229
0.0339 0.1843 -0.2402 1.0000
PRJ TYPE ZONE EASTING NORTHING SCALE_POINT SCALE_COMBINED HEMISPHERE
PRJ UTM 5 186657.726 2184768.677 1.00081377 1.00075364 N
OHT SYST MODEL HEIGHT
OHT CGVD2013 CGG2013a 362.6333
GHT 19.5953
OFF 5785194.1774 0.2513 ns
DRI 8070012.5028 ns/day
RES G C1C 0.741
RES G C2C 0.502
RES G L1C 0.005
RES G L2C 0.003
RES R C1C 0.766
RES R C2C 0.678
RES R L1C 0.005
RES R L2C 0.003
RES ELV G_C1C G_C2C G_L1C G_L2C R_C1C R_C2C R_L1C R_L2C
RES ELV 5.0 2.264 1.331 0.010 0.006 1.436 1.771 0.008 0.005
RES ELV 15.0 1.212 0.626 0.008 0.005 1.222 0.894 0.007 0.004
RES ELV 25.0 0.677 0.560 0.006 0.004 0.629 0.595 0.005 0.003
RES ELV 35.0 0.489 0.483 0.005 0.003 0.547 0.534 0.005 0.003
RES ELV 45.0 0.420 0.335 0.004 0.002 0.552 0.374 0.003 0.002
RES ELV 55.0 0.344 0.293 0.003 0.002 0.466 0.330 0.004 0.002
RES ELV 65.0 0.304 0.289 0.002 0.001 0.402 0.327 0.003 0.002
RES ELV 75.0 0.330 0.246 0.002 0.001 0.434 0.308 0.002 0.001
RES ELV 85.0 0.601 0.205 0.002 0.001 0.267 0.193 0.002 0.001
FLG PRN EPO TRK CLK EPH ELV YAW DCB SLP MIS RES
FLG G01 201 36 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0
FLG G02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G03 212 159 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
FLG G04 260 64 4 0 0 0 0 7 0 0
FLG G05 524 18 7 0 27 0 0 8 0 0
FLG G06 535 54 4 0 9 0 0 5 0 0
FLG G07 602 35 6 0 0 0 0 4 0 0
FLG G08 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G09 486 64 4 0 0 0 0 4 0 0
FLG G11 474 60 6 0 132 0 0 5 0 0
FLG G12 180 0 5 0 34 0 0 2 0 0
FLG G13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G14 669 50 9 0 20 0 0 7 0 0
FLG G15 291 17 6 0 25 0 0 5 0 0
FLG G16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G17 439 216 9 0 106 0 0 8 0 0
FLG G19 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G21 631 45 10 0 30 0 0 14 0 0
FLG G22 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G23 0 20 0 0 105 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G24 175 27 3 0 52 0 0 3 0 0
FLG G25 0 13 0 0 27 0 0 0 0 0
FLG G30 724 79 9 0 24 0 0 7 0 0
FLG J02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG J03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG J07 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG R02 75 54 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0
FLG R03 394 153 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0
FLG R04 689 98 4 0 0 0 0 6 0 0
FLG R05 614 7 3 0 68 0 0 3 0 0
FLG R06 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG R07 149 9 2 0 24 0 0 2 0 0
FLG R09 349 0 0 0 40 0 0 1 0 0
FLG R10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG R12 83 80 0 0 0 0 0 13 0 0
FLG R13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG R14 543 33 6 0 3 0 0 11 0 0
FLG R15 583 51 0 0 9 0 0 3 0 0
FLG R16 575 4 3 0 29 0 0 2 0 0
FLG R17 185 42 0 0 9 0 0 4 0 0
FLG R18 321 106 0 0 40 9 0 4 0 0
FLG R19 370 115 0 0 91 16 0 3 0 0
FLG R20 97 77 0 0 107 18 0 6 0 0
FLG R24 16 36 0 0 3 0 0 2 0 0
FLG R27 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG GXX 6403 957 82 0 591 0 0 84 0 0
FLG JXX 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
FLG RXX 5043 867 18 0 423 43 0 66 0 0
