On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Maris Nartiss <maris....@gmail.com> wrote:
> This thread has exposed a problem with GRASS GIS - lack of clear > vision (target auditory, "market niche"). > Perhaps rather different visions... comes with being open source with an active and open community > > I agree with Anna - startup screen is a problem only on the first time > and it goes away with training. We must keep in mind that GRASS is > more often launched not for the first time than for the first time - > make it easy for daily use not "I am just astrosurfing" use. > +2.. really couldn't agree more > > If you have been trying AutoCAD, MicroStation, you would know - > complex user interface, hard to run for the first time is not a > problem - I see new "GIS" users using those two "GIS" programs every > day and their count is not declining. > > Please, let's not try to compete with QGIS in ease of use, as we will > lose due to lack of manpower and different goals (quality and power > over ease of use). Spatial data is hard. High quality analysis is > hard. Let's keep GRASS professional by providing easy way how to do it > right (and not a easy way how to do it wrong). > The easy way to do it right.. one of the important reasons I started to use GRASS and made me stick with it. > > I would suggest to add a launch wizard that would take user through > location -> mapset etc. steps with nice explanations, etc. and nice > chekcbox "Do not show this wizard next time" - thus first time runners > would get their "let me google this for you" type hand holding, but it > would be easy to keep powerful startup screen for daily use. > > Just 0.02 > Māris. > > 2015-01-22 17:27 GMT+02:00 Anna Petrášová <kratocha...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Martin Landa <landa.mar...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> 2015-01-22 9:48 GMT+01:00 Markus Metz <markus.metz.gisw...@gmail.com>: > >> > A suggestion for a compromise: > >> > > >> > Have a minimal welcome screen that says something like > >> > "Starting GRASS GIS in location X, mapset Y" > >> > nothing else, no list of all the available locations and mapsets > >> > > >> > Only two buttons: OK, Change > >> > Make OK the default, Change will bring up the current welcome screen. > >> > > >> > The user has then just to hit enter and GRASS is running. This would > >> > reduce the (confusing) amount of information on the current welcome > >> > screen. It would also give more space for a little graphic ;-) > >> > > >> > Location and mapset can be taken from GISRC, if that does not exist, > >> > create a new GISDBASE in the user's home, put the demolocation in it > >> > and use this (I think the wingrass installer is already doing that). > >> > >> it make sense to me, I really like this idea. Martin > > > > > > I am not particularly fond of this idea, I change location and mapset > quite > > often, so this is additional step. I agree GISDBASE and the demolocation > > should be already there during the first start. Then the user can just > hits > > Start GRASS on the current welcome dialog and there is no need for the > > minimal welcome screen. It works like this for Windows already. It > creates > > grassdata in My Documents if I remember correctly, I am not sure why not > in > > home. > > > > What I struggle with when explaining students how to use GRASS is not > really > > the welcome screen but reprojecting data. If we would find a way to > > automatically reproject data during import, that would save a lot of work > > and explanation and it's useful not just for beginners. This is a topic > for > > a different thread, how exactly it should be implemented. No matter what > we > > decide to do with the starting of grass, this should be implemented. > > Especially when user will start with empty location, they will want to > > import their data and then the reprojection is crucial. I saw a lot of > cases > > when they just override the projection check to overcome the error they > get > > and don't read. > > > > Any opinion on what can we do for this release? > > > > Anna > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Martin Landa > >> http://geo.fsv.cvut.cz/gwiki/Landa > >> http://gismentors.eu/mentors/landa > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grass-dev mailing list > >> grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org > >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-dev > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grass-dev mailing list > > grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org > > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-dev > _______________________________________________ > grass-dev mailing list > grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-dev
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