Hi Mel, Great Post. +1 here. Just a quick question. I can't seem to get past the login screen when trying to view the archived support gang email from March:
> 5. Is there a possibility of publishing emails like the ones on > http://lists.laptop.org/private/support-gang/2009-March/005198.html so > that people not on the private support-gang mailing list can see them? I'm on the support gang, but it's not accepting any of my passwords (teamwiki, rt, etc.) I also don't believe that I've ever been asked to associate my email address with a password via the support gang either. It's always been a username, right? Any clue on how to view that email? Thanks, -Dan On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:00 AM, <[email protected]>wrote: > Send Grassroots mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Grassroots digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. What's up with OLPCorps? (Mel Chua) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:23:15 -0400 > From: Mel Chua <[email protected]> > Subject: [Grassroots-l] What's up with OLPCorps? > To: OLPC Grassroots list <[email protected]> > Cc: Paul Commons <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Ok, I'm going to be somewhat presumptious here. > > I've been watching the community reactions to > http://www.onehereonethere.org and the OLPCorps program and have been > hearing a lot of frustrations and a lot of questions - the vast majority > of which I share, actually - and decided to ping Paul Commons to see > what I could learn about what they were trying to do. We just had our > first conversation tonight, over the phone; it was a tough but good > conversation, and can be generally summarized by "there's a community of > very smart and awesome people out there and you should talk with them > and ask them things." "how?" > > To go out on a limb here - and I could be wrong - it seems to me that at > least some of this frustration comes from (1) Paul being still in the > middle of learning how to work with the kind of volunteer communities > that OLPC has, and (2) from the impression that after multiple years and > untold thousands of man-hours of volunteering for OLPC without much in > the way of thanks or support, here drops this BLESSED PROJECT! from the > sky with these people you have never heard of with no prior contribution > record that you know of magically getting all these resources from 1cc, > including lots of shiny press, for no apparent reason, and that just > seems... unfair. Regardless of the actual situation, I'm guessing that > it might /seem/ that way to some people. (It did to me, and still kind > of does, though I know that's likely due to me missing huge swaths of > the story.) > > I still don't know the actual situation. It's kind of silly to think > that anybody does. But I think I know a little more now, enough to > conclude that we can't deal with (2) until (1) gets a little further > along - so I was really happy to hear that Paul is trying to make the > workings of OLPCorps more transparent and trying to figure out how to > respond to the feedback - especially the criticism - we've offered on > many different forums. He needs help/advice on how to do it - learning > the unwritten rules of how to participate in a new community is hard. > > In that vein, and with the long prelude finished, instead of asking Paul > all the questions I had over the phone, we agreed that I would send a > first round of my questions about OLPCorps out over a public mailing > list (hi!) so that Paul could respond and we could continue our dialog, > so here it is. (Paul, I know you're incredibly busy right now, so holler > back when you have time.) > > 1.It's hard to get a sense of who you are and what you're working on > from the (very professional!) descriptions! at > http://www.onehereonethere.org/board.asp. When we talked on the phone > tonight. You told me a far more interesting backstory about how your > involvement and the OLPCorps project started, and how you worked alone > for a long time on an unsupported project to make this happen before it > was picked up and supported by 1cc, which is inspiring (and encouraging > and instructional for those of us who've been trying to get support for > our own projects for a while. ;) How can we hear more about this? > > 2. What previous deployments (including "unofficial" grassroots > deployments like http://blog.olenepal.org/, > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Boston pilots, http://waveplace.com/, and > http://www.olpcfriends.org as well as the many deployment teachers at > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur) have you spoken to? What was > their reaction/feedback? How will what you're doing affect/help their > deployments? > > 3. Ditto above for > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/University_chapters#University_Groups, noting > that not all students volunteering for OLPC are in university, not all > university students volunteer as part of a group, and not all groups are > listed on that page. > > 4. Why are we emailing [email protected] for more information or to > offer help? Why not [email protected], where people can view > previous introductions and comment on and welcome new inquirers? (It > won't happen automatically - opening something publicly up to volunteers > will not magically solve all your problems - but this makes it possible > for us to help.) > > 5. Is there a possibility of publishing emails like the ones on > http://lists.laptop.org/private/support-gang/2009-March/005198.html so > that people not on the private support-gang mailing list can see them? > Can we see the rough planning emails that have been going back and > forth, and otherwise see why you made the decisions you made, what > you're trying to figure out, and what you're having trouble with so that > we can help? (There are a good number of people here who have run or > mentored internship programs before.) I know they're rough and show a > lot of mistakes - this is the equivalent of publishing your source code > so that other people can help you find and fix the bugs. We know from > all the things you've made so far that you can definitely operate very > professionally and produce polished things when you need to, but it's > hard to get invested and involved if we can't see and join the > conversation. > > I have a million more questions about training, publicity, follow-up, > sustainability, how you'll gauge your impact, etc. but I'll save them > for a second round. ;) > > --Mel > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Grassroots mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots > > > End of Grassroots Digest, Vol 20, Issue 4 > ***************************************** >
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