Dyed-in-the-wool secularist! :-)) What does it really mean? Maybe they want to say 'dye-hard' secularist.
Rohit __________________________________ www.bhopal.net On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Shahina KK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Hello friends, > See the forwarded message and some reactions to it. > During the course of the terror episode,My worst fear was of being embraced > by these knight riders of religion ! > Any way,now I feel much more relieved to know that I still remain a > 'secularist foe' to them. > (Even though I have a different take on the complexities of secularism) > > Shahina > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Prathiba Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: KK Shahina on our Mainstream NewsMedias > To: Sudeep K S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], > kaleem koya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: reny george <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Shahina Nafeesa < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Mr. Kaleem Koya, > > What you want to say? What you meant by dyed-in-the wool secularists? > Which category you belongs to.... > > > > Prathiba > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sudeep K S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kaleem koya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Prathiba Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; reny george < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Shahina Nafeesa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:27:11 PM > Subject: Re: KK Shahina on our Mainstream NewsMedias > > Dear Kaleem Koya, > > I did not understand your comment > "See how even thick skinned secularists are forced to write the truth." > > Do you think Shahina or anyone else would/should stop writing/speaking > truth just because they become secular? And who are "supposed to" > write truth? Or, who have the "right" to speak truth? Islamists? > > Or you can not digest the fact that Shahina continues to speak truth > even if she is a non-believer, and it would involve the risk of > appearing to be supporting those Islamists who only cursed her all > along? > > Many "secularists" with Hindu names have also been speaking up for > those Muslims who are victimized every time there is a blast in this > country. You think they have no right to as well? Or you find that > also difficult to digest? > > If you have not seen what happened in follow-up to this story by > Shahina, check this out: > > "Your religion follows you" > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=HomePage&id=058115bf-d511-4308-9738-fb8c6e88843c&&Headline=%e2%80%98Your+religion+follows+you%e2%80%99 > > I am copying this mail to Shahina. > > Regards > Sudeep > > (Shahina, this mail came forwarded in Grey Youth movement mailing list). > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:12 PM, reny george <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: kaleem koya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Oct 5, 2008 7:48 AM > > Subject: Fwd: [IHRO] KK Shahina on our Mainstream NewsMedias > > To: abdul gafoor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, kaleem koya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > Remiz Muhammed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, reny george > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, C Dawood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dr Abdul Salam > > perinthalmanna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dr shakeel > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >, J S Bandukwala < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > See how even thick skinned secularists are forced to write the > truth.Shahina > > is a dyed- in- the wool secularist from Kerala. > > PK > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Prathiba Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:35 AM > > Subject: [IHRO] KK Shahina on our Mainstream NewsMedias > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Bombs Defused In Newsrooms > > > > By K.K. Shahina > > > > Thehoot.org > > > > > > > > The national news papers are now awash with stories of the past and > present > > of Jihad, depicting the picture of the 'venomous, truculent Indian Muslim > > youth' each carrying an improvised explosive device (IED) within himself, > > lethal enough to burn the country. It is a fact that a section of the > > community is attracted by fundamentalist outfits, most of them motivated > > only by blind faith and a few of them by material 'offers'. Each and > every > > time a blast occur, the entire Muslim community is put in the dock and > they > > themselves carry a strong sense of guilt as if they too are accomplices > in a > > cold-blooded crime. The media of course plays a vital role in charging a > > community for crimes executed by some sick minded monomaniacs, by the > > colored stories, semi-fiction and fiction on SIMI, LeT, HuJI, and of > course > > ISI and the involvement of the youth in the same. It is turned out to be > > tough to distinguish between a believer and a terrorist. Anybody who > grows a > > beard, does namaz, and follows his religion, is prone to be arrested and > > detained at any time! > > > > > > > > Some times the stories untold serve a purpose more, than the stories > told. > > Covertly, for a couple of weeks the national news papers effectively > serve > > this purpose, deliberately or not. Look at the way media handled the > blasts > > in which Sangh activists have been involved. Let me cite an example. The > > Indian Express and Mail Today have carried the story of Kanpur blast in > > which two Bajrang Dal activists were killed. Both of them were killed > while > > they were engaged in bomb making. (The Bajrang Bomb?-IE; Bajrang Dal > plotted > > revenge blasts in Kanpur-MT, 26th /27th Aug.2008) It is also reported > that, > > the police was astonished to see the quantity of bombs found. > > > > The blast which occurred on 24th August hardly found even a single column > > space in the leading news papers like The Hindu and Times of India, next > > day. Hindustan Times carried the item, but with out mentioning the > identity > > of those who killed. The only information the story delivers is that the > > father of Piyush Misra, one among the dead, was running a private hostel > in > > the locality! On the next day (26th August) The Indian Express and Mail > > Today carried the item with some detailing. There was hardly any follow > up > > stories in HT, TOI or The Hindu. Thriller like stories of Omprakash alias > > Bundy, a notorious gang leader gunned down by the police was the feast > TOI > > gave to its readers next day. Times lavishly spend more than a page for > > Bundy the gang leader. On the days that followed, there was intensive and > > extensive coverage of police cracking down the Jaipur blast mystery, > > 'investigative' stories on Shahnaz Hussain, the 'computer savvy' master > mind > > alleged to be behind the serial blasts. But a dreadful silence was kept > > about the origin of bombs dug out from the camp of Sangh Parivar all > along. > > A great number of human rights activists and organizations demanded > > immediate probe to unearth the explosive agenda hidden by Sangh Parivar > .The > > statements issued and press conferences conducted in this regard were > > squeezed to single columns in the national newspapers. > > > > > > > > In an interview to Tehelka former Madya Pradesh Chief Minister and > Congress > > leader Digvijay Singh had pointed out that there is solid evidence for > the > > Sangh Parivar's involvement in making bombs and other explosive devices. > > "Investigate the timings of the blasts' Digvijay Singh demands, "the > timing > > is quite uncanny. Why does it always happen when the BJP is in trouble? > That > > needs investigation". He cites several instances in which VHP and RSS > were > > caught in trouble. "There was a bomb blast in the VHP office in Madhya > > Pradesh, in 1992, where one VHP member died and two were injured while > > making bombs. Then in 2002, there was a bomb blast in a temple in Mhow. > When > > the police arrested the VHP activists after investigation, they confessed > > that they were even given training to manufacture bombs. I have a > > videocassette of that confession. Again, in 2006, in Nanded, there was a > > bomb blast in the house of a RSS activist where two RSS activists died. > > After that in March 2008, there were bomb blasts at two places in Tamil > > Nadu. Then too VHP activists were arrested by the Tamil Nadu police who > > confessed that they were involved. And how did the Gujarat police > suddenly > > find eighteen bombs planted on trees in Surat?" > > > > > > > > BJP leader Sushama Swaraj too had a similar take on conspiracy behind the > > terror strikes though her allegation (from which the BJP back tracked > later) > > was against the Congress. Nevertheless she had admitted that the terror > > strikes need not necessarily be designed and executed by ISI and Jihadis > all > > the time, but there are other possibilities too at times. She alleged > that > > Congress might have had a role in the blast to deviate attention from the > > cash for vote scandal. With leaders of the stature of Sushama Swaraj and > > Digvijay Singh joining the party, accusing each other of conspiring > behind > > terror strikes, these kind of conspiracy theories -which had only been in > > air as whispers in the past- got in to the public discourse. Yet our > > mainstream news papers decided to keep away from this hot potato. > > > > > > > > It seems that media is blind to such possible egregious designs by Sangh > > parivar. Teesta Setalwad called for an immediate ban on Bajrang Dal and > VHP > > for spreading terrorism across the country. The Nanded bomb blast is a > clear > > case of Sangh's disastrous bomb making business. The incident was in 2006 > in > > Nanded in Maharashtra, in which two RSS activists were killed. The > Hindustan > > Times termed it as a 'mysterious explosion' in which the possibility of > any > > mischievous activity had been ruled out prima facie by the police. The > facts > > unearthed by activists like Teesta Setalwad and the allegations raised by > > politicians like Digvijay Singh as well as Sushma Swaraj need deeper > > analysis from the part of the media. Unfortunately the media discourses > on > > terrorism are largely run by the postulated theories about the Muslim > youth > > who carries a dangerous killer instinct within themselves. > > > > > > > > Nothing better could be expected from news rooms stricken with minority > > phobia. Alarmingly, media exposes itself in times of violence against > > minorities. The Gujarat genocide was such an instance in which the > secular > > credentials of the mainstream media had been challenged. Now again we are > > going through a period of Sangh violence in which people are being burnt > > alive, nuns being raped, priests abducted, humiliated in public and > killed. > > Media does nothing better than it did when the Muslims in Gujarat were > > effaced. > > > > > > > > The coverage of the Sangh Parivar violence in Orissa, by the mainstream > > media reveals the character of the Indian press. After the very first day > of > > violence, the leading national daily in the country, Times of India, > hasn't > > find it worth enough to run it in the front page! After 26th of August, > the > > Times' reader can hardly find news from Orissa, unless he diligently > spares > > more time to go to the inner pages. TOI has written an editorial > demanding > > to put an end to violence against Christians in Orissa. From the day > next, > > the newspaper runs as if it had completed it's duty and has better things > to > > do! > > > > Look at the effort the Times News Network takes to endorse the VHP > argument > > that Lakshmananada Saraswathy was killed not by the Maoists but by the > > Christian missionaries (Maoists didn't kill VHP leader –TOI 31st August). > > Media may have their own policies about page design and lay out, but of > > course it conveys a meaning, disseminates a message, as it is said by > > Marshal Mc Luhan, 'media is the message'. On the other hand, Orissa > violence > > has had a rather fair deal in other news papers like The Hindu, IE and > HT. > > They have given extensive coverage to the plight of hundreds of > Christians, > > who are forced to flee. The voice of the Christian church also well > heard, > > but in general, it seems that the Sangh Parivar violence is never dealt > with > > the same vigor by which the 'Islamic terror' is treated.' > > > > > > > > Media uses different scales to measure terrorism. The word 'terrorism' is > > never used when a story on Sangh violence is told, No matter how ever > large > > scale the violence is. The violence unleashed by the Sangh Parivar in > > Gujarat was defined only as the flagrant expression of communalism and > the > > same is the case with what happens in Orissa at present. Conceptualizing > > 'Sangh terror' is a rare exercise in media discourses. The style book > > followed by each and every media itself is a fine expression of how they > > conceived the ideas of Hindu fundamentalism and 'Muslim terrorism' as > well. > > > > > > > > More than a dozen explosions have occurred within a couple of years in > > different parts of the country. When ever there is a blast, we hear > stories > > about Jihadis behind .The top officials of investigating agencies along > with > > political leadership come forward with statements about the involvement > of > > Pakistan and ISI instantaneously. The ISI story has turned out to be > rather > > stale which carries no substance at all, as far as a reader of news paper > is > > concerned. Each and every terror strike is followed by the same, usual > drama > > by the police. Red alert is declared in the area (nobody knows when it is > > lifted; most probably no information is available from News Papers in > this > > regard!) The immediate arrest of a few numbers of Muslims for alleged > > connection with SIMI, Indian Mujahideen or similar organizations, is the > > next step. Raiding internet cafes nowadays have become another ritual > from > > the part of the police and of course Madrassas are not spared, they are > put > > under strict surveillance. In many cases police claims that they have > > cracked the case by presenting half a dozen of beard faced people > detained. > > Many questions are left unanswered like who are the bigger players and > where > > the money comes from. In all the recent incidents of serial blasts, > police > > were in a hurry to claim that the case is cracked and thus to close the > > file. The ATS (Anti Terror Squad) enquiring into the recent Ahmedabad > serial > > blast stated that there is indeed connection between all the serial > blasts > > taken place recently in different parts of the country, especially that > of > > Ahmedabad, and Jaipur. It might be true, but nobody knows what > breakthrough > > is achieved and what all are the solid evidence to prove this claim. The > > investigating agencies as well as our mainstream media is very much > > preoccupied with the idea that 'bombs are made only in the stores of > Muslim > > fundamentalist groups'. > > > > > > > > The police and investigating agencies seem to be more than happy to nab > soft > > targets who are small timers like street vendors, rickshaw wallahs > bicycle > > thieves and even vagabonds. It was found that unmanned bicycles were used > to > > carry bombs in Ahmedabad. The immediate action by the police was to hunt > > down these soft targets who are striving to survive in the margins of > > metros. It seems that Police and the media are hardly aware of the fact > > that, terrorism is a 'big deal' beyond the reach of the poor. The story > > carried out by Times of India on this (28th July) brought to my mind once > > again the life of Antonio Ricci, the protagonist of the Dissica classic > > Bicycle thieves. The film is considered one of the ever best made. A > > desperate Antonio Ricci, after several abortive attempts to get his > stolen > > bicycle back, tries to steal another, a crime pardoned by its owner. > History > > absolves poor Antonio Ricci who lives in poverty stricken Italy > devastated > > by World War II. > > > > > > > > It is an old story. In the present era nobody will spare Antonio Ricci. > He > > is under strict surveillance by the Police, Intelligence and Media, be > cause > > we are living in a reign of terror. No option is left for a terror > stricken > > country but to book all the bicycle thieves, as long as there are no > > measures to identify terrorism, its roots, and its goals. > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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