various organizations join to form the violent/non-violent sanghparivar orchestra to train the people to listen to and obey them. no idea about lack of media coverage on that convention. may be viewing lack of coverage on certain issues is Not an 'upper class' idea. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Gouri Patwardhan <gou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> dear all, > I was introduced to this mailing list recently by my friend Bobby Kunhu > recently. among the recent posts discussed/debated /fought over, the > discussion on this particular issue has been quite interesting. > I (also)wanted to bring to your notice the All India Brahmin convention > that happened in Pune a few days ago. It seems this is not the first one > (maybe a 5th convention). I don't know if it was reported in any > national/English newspapers. From the reports in the Marathi dailies it > appears to be an extremely regressive and aggressive body (perhaps more than > any other Parivar bodies) or atleast trying to compete with them in their > stances. > The convention was attended among others, by Ms. Sheela Dixit, CM Delhii > and Ramdevbaba, the Yoga guru. > I have been unable to formulate an adequete response to this open political > assertion of Brahmins. Why have they felt the need for this sort of a > gesture when they already dominate RSS/BJP etc. > Gouri > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM, S sanjeev <samva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> for a sensitive report regarding class/gender/sexual assault see the >> following: >> *(from tehelka)* >> *Town Mouse, Village Mouse* >> *The many versions of the alleged Noida gangrape expose the dissonance >> between two worlds that neither comprehend nor accept each other, writes >> **ROHINI MOHAN* >> THE CLASSROOMS of the village school in Ghadi Chaukhandi lie empty, the >> benches thrown out of order by the last group of students who left in a >> hurry. A blackboard has a half-drawn diagram of 'The Human Digestive >> System'. Some teachers sit quietly in the small garden outside. In one >> poorly-lit classroom, about 35 students chorus a computer *War ready : >> *Sure of his son's innocence, Bedpal Yadav(second from left) gave him up >> to the police >> science lesson. "It's a special class for 'inter' students," says Harpal >> Singh Yadav, the Principal of Sri Krishna High School and Inter College, "We >> declared an indefinite holiday on the day boys from this college were >> accused of rape. We won't reopen until this drama ends." >> What the principal refers to as 'drama' has his village seething with >> rage. Eleven boys aged between 18 and 24 were arrested from Ghadi Chaukhandi >> for allegedly gangraping a 24-year-old MBA student on 5 January. An FIR was >> lodged by the victim's classmate, Amit Pawar, who was with her when the >> incident took place. Police say Pawar and the girl are students of Amity >> College, Noida. In the FIR, Pawar says the two had just finished shopping in >> The Great India Place mall in Sector 38, Noida, and were driving towards >> Delhi in the girl's Wagon R when "about six village boys on motorcycles" >> stopped them. He alleges that they forcibly entered the car, and one of the >> boys drove them around, "looking for a secluded, dark place." This was >> around 6:00 pm. "They stopped at an empty area [later identified as Pushta >> Parthala Khanjarpur in Sector 71, a few kilometers from Ghadi Chaukhandi], >> and beat me with cricket bats and stumps," says Pawar in the FIR. "One of >> them called up some more boys on his mobile phone, and they raped my friend >> one by one." >> This chilling account was the basis for the Noida police's four arrests >> late that very night. However, some of the events described in the FIR may >> be fabricated. "The Pawar boy has mentioned wrong locations," admits Anil >> Samania, chief of the Sector 39 police station where the FIR was registered, >> "The villagers didn't kidnap the boy and girl from the mall. The Wagon R was >> already in Pushta Parthala Khanjarpur where the boys attacked them." When >> TEHELKA contacted the Pawar family, they refused to comment. Samania >> attributes the inaccuracy to Pawar's "trauma-induced confusion", but the >> parents of the accused allege a conspiracy that the police are in on. "If >> the first report is full of lies, what will the rest of the investigation >> be? It shows they're trying to frame our children," says Nehpal Singh, >> father of Sharad, one of the arrested boys. He asks why Pawar, whose father >> is a police officer in Delhi, chose to go to Samania's Sector 39 police >> station, and not the one nearest Parthala in Sector 58. "Why would he do >> that unless he or his father knew Samania beforehand? *Unki* setting* hui >> hogi* (they must've hatched a plan)." Nehpal, like all the villagers, >> calls Pawar the real culprit for allegedly being involved in 'obscene >> activities' in public, and trying to avenge the violence inflicted on him by >> charging gangrape and getting the village boys arrested under the stringent >> Gangster Act, in which getting bail is difficult. >> *Beleaguered :*A classroom in the Sri Krishna Inter College, where >> the 11 arrested boys studied >> CONSPIRACY THEORIES abound. And in them lies the dissonance between >> Noida's two worlds, which neither accept nor comprehend each other. "We're >> sick of couples coming in cars, lying half-naked and doing disgusting things >> next to our homes," says Satpal Yadav, a village resident. "Our women are >> still in purdah, our children still respect their elders. City people bring >> *gandagi *(filth) into our villages." >> Ghadi Chaukhandi held a panchayat a day after the first arrests, declaring >> they fully supported their boys and their actions. "The media exploded with >> reports that we're supporting rapists," says Nehpal, flinging some >> newspapers on the table, "How dare they assume we're monsters who don't >> condemn such acts? We only support their beating up that Pawar boy." The >> village residents are unanimous that Pawar deserved to be beaten up. On the >> rape charge, they are divided. "My brother didn't do it," says Praveen >> Yadav, on his way back from meeting Srikant, another accused, in jail. "I >> don't know about the others." Each of the parents of the 11 boys maintains >> that it is possible the girl was raped, but only by "two or three boys," and >> definitely not their son. "If 11 boys raped a girl, I doubt she could've >> been in any condition to go home," argues Gurmeet, the aunt of an accused, >> Tony. "I've raised my kids well. I send them to school outside the village, >> to Delhi. They're good boys. I'm sure my son didn't rape anyone," says >> Nehpal. >> This absolute faith faltered when there were reports of Sanjay Yadav >> confessing. According to AK Tripathi, SP City, Noida, "Sanjay has admitted >> that the village boys raped the girl by taking turns." He says the police >> have collected samples for DNA testing from the car, taken vaginal swabs, >> and examined the girl. But over a week after the crime, the medical and >> forensic reports are still not out. In the absence of conclusive evidence, >> the village elders insist that false confessions have been taken by force. >> The same holdup in investigations allows for rage, shock, and judgement to >> whirl through the rest of the national capital region. Most of urban Noida >> and Delhi is convinced the boys are rapists. >> "These people are not educated, and have regressive ideas about women," >> says Savita Mehta, a lecturer at Noida's Amity College. "The problem is they >> are not trained to respect a woman. Beyond their homes, every woman is >> accessible." Senior Superintendent of Police, Naveen Arora says he cannot >> comment on Noida's rising crime rate, because he's just been transferred >> here. In fact, Noida has seen 14 police chiefs in three years — a result of >> political meddling and abysmal performance in investigating recent >> high-profile cases like the double murders of Arushi Talwar and Hemraj, and >> the Nithari serial killings. >> Many residents in Noida's new, gated colonies admit to anxiety about their >> neighbours. "My house is wonderful, but it's strange that I live next to >> both a mall and a bunch of backward villages," says Deepesh Verma, who stays >> near Spice World Mall in Sector 25. Verma moved to Noida eight years ago >> when he accepted a job in HCL. "Many educated people moved to what we >> thought was a thriving industrial hub. Noida has developed in terms of >> buildings and cars, but people still think this is a village and they can >> treat women like property," he says. >> THE GROCERY shop outside Verma's house is owned by Deepak Rawal from Ghori >> Bachera, a Noida village that was in the papers in 2007 for a police firing >> that killed three villagers. Angry people from 10 villages were protesting >> the low prices given by the government for their agricultural land. "I wish >> we hadn't sold our land, >> *To each his own: *Though united against the police, Nehpal Yadav >> says each of the 11 families is hiring its own lawyer >> " says Rawal, a relative of one of the men who died in the police firing, >> "We were shortchanged: the government resold the land to private realtors >> for huge profits." With a fleet of trucks and several small businesses, >> Rawal is perhaps wealthier than some of those who live in the Sector 25 >> apartments. "But I'm not a product of English-medium education, and I don't >> believe in this mall-culture," he says, "My daughter would never sit and >> drink in a car with a man she's not married to." Rawal's 30-year-old brother >> recalls instances when he, too, felt the urge to chase away "high society" >> couples: "Do they not respect us enough to not bring their obscene habits >> into our backyards?" >> The Noida police now say that two of the arrested boys, Gautam and >> Omprakash, have confessed to having earlier raped two women in similar >> situations. Tripathi says, "These boys come from rich families with feudal >> mindsets. Their minds are rotten." Bedpal Yadav, Shashikant's father, says, >> "Now they'll start maligning our boys, but what about the character of Amit >> Pawar?" As Bedpal's voice gets louder, neighbours and relatives gather, some >> saying that Pawar and the girl were drinking, others asking why there's no >> mention of the other two boys in the backseat of the same car, and still >> others spitting fire about having to deal with character assassination by "a >> society that has no Indian culture left in them." Dinesh Kumar, a resident >> of neighbouring Junpad village, calls the police *"bade logon ke >> rakhwale"* (protectors of big lords). "More than 40 village children went >> missing in Nithari, and they didn't register one FIR," he points out, "But >> one person from the upper class dies, and they fall over themselves trying >> to solve the case." When more than 100 policemen filled the small lanes of >> Ghadi Chaukhandi a day after the alleged rape, Dinesh says a constable told >> him that the police "would make sure we get at least half of your village's >> new money by the time the case is closed." >> Noida employs thousands across classes, its allure is its expanse of >> possibilities, the spurt of development. Yet, behind the dust of >> construction is a clash of identities. Doubt and revulsion fill both the >> expanding high-rises and shrinking villages, exposing an ugly gash that's >> becoming deeper. >> *From Tehelka Magazine, Vol 5, Vol 6, Issue 3, Dated Jan 24, 2009* >> >> >> --- On *Wed, 28/1/09, damodar prasad <damodar.pra...@gmail.com>* wrote: >> >> From: damodar prasad <damodar.pra...@gmail.com> >> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: 17 arrested for Mangalore pub assault >> To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 2:09 PM >> >> >> If Karntaka was not a news at at all, how did the blogger Neelan got all >> the links. >> These "upper class" kind of arguments was very fashionable, but hundred >> years before!! >> >> d.Prasad >> >> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:56 PM, salimtk <sali...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> dear aryan, >>> i too like pub, drinks and dance and no objection others doing it as >>> well (in their own ways). >>> if my mail in any way diverted the manglore issue to something else and >>> minimize its importance, it's withdrawn. :) >>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:24 AM, aryakrishnan ramakrishnan < >>> aryakr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> From Saleem's mail and in Neelan's blog blurb in Anivar's post, >>>> Mangalore incident and middleclass is mentioned. >>>> >>>> I wonder whether that changes the situation. I think each issue has >>>> its value, as it deserves. There could be other causes and issues and >>>> worst cases, but this needs to be taken seriously. >>>> >>>> If the attacked women come from middle class or not. It is true that >>>> the media picked it up for its middleclass ethos. But a close scrutiny >>>> proves that media was infact participating in the violence. All the >>>> cameras were ready there at the moment of the attact and all the >>>> channels got good clippings of the attack. But the voyeurs didn't even >>>> have the feeling that they should intervene and stop it. >>>> >>>> Infact they need to be considered as criminals along with other >>>> criminals. And we should fight to ban this terror outfit. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Aryan >>>> >>>> In Kerala, the state is promoting community policing,day by day. The >>>> news paper reports on this is terrifying. Infact what happens is that >>>> the state is expanding itself by capturing more governmental power by >>>> cameras and spies. >>>> >>>> 2009/1/28 Anivar Aravind <anivar.arav...@gmail.com>: >>>> > >>>> > From a Blog Comment By Nalan >>>> > >>>> > http://www.hindu.com/2009/01/27/stories/2009012759421000.htm# >>>> > >>>> > ഇപ്പോള് മാത്രമാണു മംഗലാപുരം സംഭവം ചില മാധ്യമങ്ങളിലെങ്കിലും >>>> > വാര്ത്തയായത്, ഉപരിവര്ഗ്ഗത്തെ ബാധിച്ചപ്പോള് മാത്രം !.. >>>> > >>>> > താഴെയുള്ള ലിങ്കുകള് നോക്കൂ - കര്ണ്ണാടകത്തില് ഗുജറാത്ത് മോഡല് >>>> > പരീക്ഷണത്തിനു വേഗത കൂടിയത് ബി.ജെ.പി അധികാരത്തില് വന്നതോടെയാണു. >>>> > >>>> > Women are taking the brunt of 'activism' Moral policing >>>> > http://www.thehindu.com/2008/09/08/stories/2008090860790600.htm >>>> > >>>> > College bus stoned; five students and driver hurt >>>> > http://www.hindu.com/2008/12/28/stories/2008122850450100.htm >>>> > >>>> > Cracking down on 'violations of moral code' in Dakshina Kannada >>>> > http://www.thehindu.com/2008/09/07/stories/2008090750160100.htm >>>> > >>>> > How Karnataka is becoming Gujarat of the South >>>> > >>>> http://communalism.blogspot.com/2008/03/how-karnataka-is-becoming-gujarat-of.html >>>> > >>>> > Two attacked for selling beef: vedike >>>> > http://www.hindu.com/2008/04/02/stories/2008040254390400.htm >>>> > >>>> > Egg on whose face? >>>> > http://www.hindu.com/2007/01/25/stories/2007012503421100.htm >>>> > >>>> > Ban on beef sale draws criticism >>>> > http://www.thehindu.com/2008/11/21/stories/2008112155520500.htm >>>> > >>>> > Who will control the vigilantes? Moral policing >>>> > http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/09/stories/2008090954450400.htm >>>> > >>>> > Moral police' caution New Year eve revellers in Mysore >>>> > http://www.hindu.com/2008/12/28/stories/2008122854690500.htm >>>> > >>>> > Karnataka government backs moral policing >>>> > http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080062353 >>>> > >>>> > Ban on live bands in Bangalore pubs - Moral policing to stop >>>> crimes! >>>> > >>>> http://www.zorsebol.com/lifestyle/ban-on-live-bands-in-bangalore-pubs-moral-policing-to-stop-crimes/ >>>> > >>>> > Bangalore city pub ransacked by 'moral police' >>>> > http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=86039 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:03 AM, salimtk <sali...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> the mentioned organizations also stand for indian's 'national' >>>> freedom. >>>> >> so first define what's indian's freedom. >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Joseph Saluting NSG Commandos...... >>>> >> <josephvpe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Friends, how can we prevent these idiots(BJP,RSS,SREERAM SENA,....) >>>> from >>>> >>> acting against Indian's Freedom. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> We have to wake up from our sleep otherwise, these fools will kill >>>> us in >>>> >>> our sleep........... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:22 PM, damodar prasad < >>>> damodar.pra...@gmail.com> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Seen from a Secular, Modern and Liberal perspectives, except for >>>> some >>>> >>>> subtleties in practice, there is no much of a difference between >>>> Fascism ( >>>> >>>> social fascism as well) , Talibanism and Sanghism. Syntagmatic >>>> replacement >>>> >>>> of one by another does not change the meaning. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But if you find these modern values as a problem field, then of >>>> course >>>> >>>> the differences have to be accounted. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As sanjeev said, in the post-masjid demolition period sangh >>>> parivarism >>>> >>>> best communicates the kind of vandalism and violence that Manglore >>>> has >>>> >>>> witnessed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Talibanism does not evoke any sympathies, I suppose!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> d.Prasad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:12 PM, bharadwaj reshma < >>>> resh...@yahoo.com> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Why seek another name when SreeramSena itself is capable of >>>> invoking >>>> >>>>> 'terror' in all those who are not placed in advantageous locations >>>> ( by name >>>> >>>>> or privileges) ? >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Perhaps, Sreeramsena or Sangh Parivar doesn't appear 'pre--modern" >>>> >>>>> enough >>>> >>>>> compared to the nonsecular/pre-modern appeal of 'Taliban' in >>>> secular >>>> >>>>> commonsense. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> It tells more about those who speak/ listen than the incident >>>> itself. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> --- On Tue, 27/1/09, S sanjeev <samva...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> > From: S sanjeev <samva...@yahoo.com> >>>> >>>>> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: 17 arrested for Mangalore pub assault >>>> >>>>> > To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com >>>> >>>>> > Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 6:40 PM >>>> >>>>> > dear gladson dungdung,I think it's not just the positing >>>> >>>>> > of a model, but the act >>>> >>>>> > of naming itself that is being contested. >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > When Taliban ordered the demolition of Bamian Buddhas in >>>> >>>>> > 2001 did >>>> >>>>> > any human rights activists or journalists describe it >>>> >>>>> > "Sanghparivarism" (courtesy: >>>> >>>>> > nuiman) since it was the best model available at the time, >>>> >>>>> > post-Babri Masjid? >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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