[Let's remind ourselves that the major Issues as regards the "deal" are:

1. Non-disclosure of price, despite categorical public commitment by the
Defence Minister on November 17 2017, reiterating the one by Defence
Secretary: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0qKRCG0IPM>.

2. Brushing aside of the mandatory procedure - prior scanning and clearnce
by the CCS.

3. Abrupt reduction in number to be procured - from 126 to 36, without any
due diligence.
(Moreover, while it's being claimed that as against 18, under the earlier
terms being negotiated by the UPA/NDA, 36 jets would now be delivered in
fly-away conditions.
That appears to be a sort of a hoax.
Earlier, 18 jets were to come directly from France, having been
manufactured by the Dassault. Another 108 were to be manufactured in Inidia
by the HAL, under the Dassault supervision, with the provision of
technology transfer.
Now, all the 36 jets are having 50% Indian offset component. No technology
transfer, though.
That means none are coming directly from France.)

***4. Shocking displacement, all of a sudden, of the public sector HAL,
having decades of experience in the specific field, by a private sector
enterprise with no whatever experience and registered only days before
announcement of the radically revised deal.

5. Non-resort to re-bidding, the deal having been drastically reworked.

A number of petitions, including one filed jointly by Yashwant Sinha, Arun
Shourie and Prashant Bhushan, as regards the "deal", are, right now, before
the Supreme Court.
These have been admitted and the due process has been set in motion.

It's in this specific context, the analytical comment, reproduced below, is
relevant and worth taking note of.

<<In an interview to CNBC-TV18 this week that was presumably meant to allay
all doubts and misgivings in India about the Rafale deal, Dassault Aviation
CEO Eric Trappier ended up contradicting what the Modi government and its
ministers have been saying in defence of the prime minister’s decision to
purchase 36 fighter jets in fly-away condition from France.
Indeed, on eight key issues that have been the subject of questions and
controversy, Trappier has only served to muddy the waters, weakening the
explanations that the government, BJP leaders, Anil Ambani and Dassault
itself have been saying till now.>>]

https://thewire.in/security/dassault-ceos-interview-digs-bigger-hole-for-modi-government-on-rafale


Dassault CEO's Interview Digs Bigger Hole for Modi Government on Rafale
Eight issues surrounding the deal have become even more murky despite a
concerted effort by Rafale to clear the air.

Dassault CEO's Interview Digs Bigger Hole for Modi Government on Rafale

Anil Ambani and Dassault CEO Eric Trappier in Nagpur. Credit: PTI

Ravi Nair

2 HOURS AGO

In an interview to CNBC-TV18 this week that was presumably meant to allay
all doubts and misgivings in India about the Rafale deal, Dassault Aviation
CEO Eric Trappier ended up contradicting what the Modi government and its
ministers have been saying in defence of the prime minister’s decision to
purchase 36 fighter jets in fly-away condition from France.

Indeed, on eight key issues that have been the subject of questions and
controversy, Trappier has only served to muddy the waters, weakening the
explanations that the government, BJP leaders, Anil Ambani and Dassault
itself have been saying till now.

1. Questions about timing and process followed

At the start of the interview, Trappier was asked what the status of the
talks for the sale of 126 aircraft – as was envisaged at the time – in the
run up to Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s April 10, 2015 announcement which
effectively scrapped the negotiations on the medium multi-role combat
aircraft (MMRCA) contract. “We have been discussing and negotiating since
2012 to 2015,” said Trappier. “During the visit you are just mentioning (of
Modi to Paris) that was the discussions between the two governments
(government of India and government of France). That was [a] government to
government discussion and Dassault was not involved at that stage during
the discussion. We were told, like many of us, during the press conference,
in the evening, that 36 aircraft should be now an option for both India and
France”.

A few moments later, he reiterated the fact that Dassault was told about
the Indian decision to purchase 36 aircraft only at the time of Modi’s
press conference on the evening of April 10, 2015.


Prime Minister Narendra Modi and French President Frnacois Hollande at
their April 10, 2015 press conference in Paris. Credit: PIB

Trappier’s statement is significant because it highlights the fact that the
announcement was a unilateral call taken by Modi, a point also made by
Manohar Parrikar, defence minister at the time, who told a TV channel on
April 13, 2015 that the decision to purchase 36 Rafale in fly-away
condition was taken by Modi alone.

Modi’s unilateral decision to scrap an acquisition process that had been
duly cleared and replace it with a new deal is the subject of a criminal
complaint filed with the Central Bureau of Investigation and a PIL before
the Supreme Court.

2. Question about the state of Dassault-HAL relations

Asked about the state of Dassault’s negotiations with HAL at the time the
deal was changed, Trappier continues: “The Request for Proposal was very
clear in 2007 and we won on the Request for Proposal. The deal was we had
to make an agreement with HAL because HAL was officially the Lead
Production Agency for manufacturing. So, we had to talk to them because
they were in charge of the local production assembly line in their
premises. So we had discussion with them for a long time.”

A moment later, he says, “I would not say we were in discussions because in
the last few months before this announcement, the discussions were not very
active with Government of India where HAL is a part. We had a detailed work
share (agreement) with HAL and I have to say, HAL has always been a good
partner with Dassault and I myself know HAL very well as I work with HAL
from 1990s and I have great respect for this company.”

Incidentally, Trappier had released Dassault Aviation’s 2014 annual report
on March 10, 2015, in which  “the continuation of exclusive negotiations
with the Indian authorities and Indian industrial partners to finalise the
contract for the sale/licensing of 126 Rafale” was noted. Fifteen days
later, at a press conference, he said the 126 aircraft Rafale deal with
India is 95% negotiated and both the parties are verifying the contract
documents once again to avoid any future complications as the contract is
too big and runs to thousands of pages. On March 25, 2015, while handing
over IAF’s two upgraded Mirage2000 fighter jets, he told a gathering which
included the then Indian ambassador to France, senior HAL and IAF officials
that he expected to sign the contract for 126 Rafales with India soon and
that would make Dassault’s relationship with HAL stronger.

Trappier’s earlier remarks are hard to reconcile with recent statements
made by the the current defence minister, Nirmala Sitharaman, and others in
the Modi government who have painted a grim picture of HAL by saying on
various occasions that the negotiation for 126 aircraft had failed due to
Dassault’s unwillingness to work with HAL.

In his latest interview, however, the Dassault CEO has himself clarified
that he had signed a detailed work share agreement with HAL for the local
production of 108 Rafales as mandated by the RFP and that Dassault never
had any reservations about working with HAL. Rather, Trappier said that he
and his company have a long standing business relationship with HAL and
that he has great respect for HAL.

Asked why the ongoing negotiations prior to Modi’s announcement were
scrapped, Trappier said that this question must be answered by the Indian
government. He said there was an issue with the “guarantee”, where the
Indian government wanted Dassault to guarantee all the 126 aircraft, but
Dassault was willing to stand guarantee for the initial 18 aircraft
produced by them and wanted HAL to stand guarantee for the 108 to be
manufactured in India. When Trappier says, “guarantee by HAL may be an
issue for Government of India”, it will be apt to remember the comments of
former HAL chief Suvarna Raju who said “Dassault and HAL had signed the
mutual work-share contract and given it to the government. Why don’t you
ask the government to put the files out in public? The files will tell you
everything. If I build the planes, I will guarantee them.”

What emerges from this is that the Modi government has been trying to blame
HAL for the failure to close the negotiations for 126 aircraft whereas both
the Dassault CEO and the then HAL chief are on the record saying they were
comfortable working with each other.

3. Deliberately confusing one Reliance for the other

When CNBC asked Trappier what led Dassault to choose the Anil Ambani-led
Reliance group as its offset partner and form a JV with – Dassault Reliance
Aerospace Limited (DRAL) – he followed the lead taken by BJP leaders like
Ravi Shankar Prasad by deliberately confusing one Ambani brother for the
other.

Trappier said: “We signed the first agreement with Reliance in 2011. And to
be precise, Dassault signed the first agreement with Reliance in February
2012.”

He added a moment later that their main agreement would have been with HAL
as HAL was the main production agency who had to supply the Indian
manufactured Rafale to the Indian Air Force with certain responsibility and
certain responsibility owned by Dssault. Dassault wanted to work with the
“Reliance Group” and the agreement with Reliance was to manufacture wings
for Dassault’s business jet Falcon series.

Trappier’s statement is severely misleading for its use of the word
“Reliance Group”. There were enough media reports in February 2012 of
Dassault signing an MoU with Anil Ambani’s elder brother Mukesh Ambani led
Reliance Industries Limited (RIL).


File photo of the Ambani brothers, Anil (left) and Mukesh (right). The two
siblings run their own independent businesses and are frequently at
loggerheads. Credit: PTI

Immediately after Dassault was announced as the winner of MMRCA tender, the
Mukesh Ambani led Reliance Industries decided to enter the defence aviation
business. One of the group’s companies – Reliance Gas Marketing, actually
incorporated on September 4, 2008 – was renamed Reliance Aerospace
Technologies Limited (RATL). Dassault Aviation signed an MoU with RATL in
February 2012. On February 13, 2012, while reporting Dassault’s MoU with
RIL, the Times of India wrote, “Reliance Industries has been looking to
diversify as growth in its core oil and gas business slows”. Note that the
Anil Ambani led Reliance group’s core business was never oil and gas, but
telecom and infrastructure.

As is known by the government, the corporate world and all business
journalists, the word ‘Reliance’ may be common to both but Mukesh and Anil
Ambani Anil lead two separate business groups altogether. Mukesh Ambani
heads Reliance Industries Limited and Anil Ambani’s group is known as
Reliance ADAG (Anil Dhirajlal Ambani Group). Recently, the Economic Times
reported that “a memorandum of understanding on the offsets deal was simply
allowed to lapse. Also, Reliance is said to have decided to stay away from
this business. There were talks and several rounds of discussions where the
teams met but nothing much happened beyond that. Things did not even reach
the proof of concept stage and when the MoU lapsed, it was not renewed.”
The report says that when the Modi government came in to power, Dassault’s
interest in partnering with Mukesh Ambani “fizzled out”.

We should not for a moment imagine that Trappier is not aware of the
difference between the two Reliance groups when he locates Dassault’s 2012
MoU with Mukesh Ambani’s RIL as the point when his company first decided to
partner Anil Ambani’s Reliance. The fact that he persists in this bit of
disinformation, originally put out by senior Modi ministers, is an
indication of the government’s weak defence against the charge of crony
capitalism in the Rafale deal.

4. Did Dassault really choose Anil Ambani because it had land near an
airport?

The next question Trappier was asked was why Dassault Aviation – a company
with immense experience in a specialised and highly technical field like
defence aviation – chose a company like Reliance as its JV partner which
has no experience or expertise in any form of aircraft or parts
manufacturing, but is in to infrastructure business. The question acquired
added salience in the wake of former French president Francois Hollande’s
remarks in September that the Anil Ambani group had been imposed on France
by the Indian side.

Trappier’s answer to this question has further muddied the waters . The
first thing he said was, “It is not only Rafale, but Falcon.” For Rafale,
he said, Dassault can’t delay the lead time as it has customers waiting.
But, when it has to start from scratch, Dassault prefers Falcon where it
can afford time lapse. Trappier repeated what he has said earlier, that he
chose Reliance as his JV partner in India because what he wanted was land
near an airstrip to set up a factory and assembly line for the Falcon 2000
series. Reliance is a strong group and had land in Nagpur, he said.
Bangalore on the other hand was a big and busy city and HAL did not have
that (land).

Trappier’s explanation has three elements, each of which need to be
examined separately to understand the damaging consequences of what he said.

Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited is a JV between Dassault Aviation and
Reliance ADAG’s Reliance Aerostructure Limited (RAL). According to the
Ministry of Corporate Affairs, RAL was incorporated on April 24, 2015 –
exactly two weeks after Modi’s announcement from France – as a subsidiary
of Reliance Defence Limited, which in turn was incorporated on March 28,
2015, two weeks prior to Modi’s announcement that India was going to buy 36
Rafales.

Dassault Aviation itself said in a press release on April 23, 2018, that it
formed its JV with RAL in April 2015 itself. This admission contradicts
what Trappier said in this interview. If Dassault formed a JV with RAL in
April 2015, this was when the company existed only on paper as it was
created only on April 24, 2015. It did not have any land or any other
assets. Reliance ADAG group company Reliance Capital, on August 29, 2015,
put out a press release related to RAL which mentioned that the company had
applied  to the Maharashtra government for allotment of  land on June 16,
2015 – almost one and half months after Dassault says it teamed up with RAL
– and RAL received the allotment letter for 289 acres at Mihan, Nagpur, on
August 29, 2015.

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The unveiling of a plaque during the inauguration of the Dassault Reliance
Aerospace Limited (DRAL)joint venture plant at the Ambani Aerospace Park in
Mihan, India, in October 2017. Credit: Dassault

Second, though it was allotted 289 acres, RAL took only 104 acres. The
Nagpur edition of the Times of India reported on January 20, 2016 that
“ADAG had earlier sought 289 acre land but later reduced its requirements
to 104 acres. The board headed by Chief Minister Devendra Fadnavis has
given 104 acres and reserved the remaining 185 acre for the company.”

Another report in the same news paper, on July 21, 2017, pointed out there
was no taxiway from the land allocated to Reliance to connect to the main
runway of Nagpur airport, that Reliance did not pay the complete land price
of Rs.38 crore (for 104 acres) to the authorities citing this reason for a
long time, and that the payment was made only in second week of July 2017 –
a good two years after the land was originally allocated, and at least five
months after DRAL was formally incorporated in February 2017.

In other words, Trappier’s claim that  Dassault chose Reliance as its JV
partner because it had land at Nagpur connected to the runway does not add
up. Neither at the time of Dassault first deciding to partner with RAL (in
April 2015) or at the time of formal incorporation of the JV did its
partner have land connected to the airport for this project in Nagpur or
anywhere else.

Thirdly, Trappier says the fact that HAL did not have the land in Bangalore
was another reason for Dssault to choose Reliance ADAG as its JV partner.
This statement is also factually incorrect. On March 25, 2012, when the
contract negotiation committee (CNC) of the Ministry of Defence was
negotiating the details of the earlier, 126 aircraft deal, with Dassault,
The Hindu reported that HAL had invited bids to construct a new integrated,
green “MMRCA Complex” with runway, hangers, new production unit and
residential facilities for employees at Challaghatta near  Bangalore
international airport where the company had large tracts of land. And the
company was already operating the HAL defence airport. This again shows
Trappier was hiding facts which are well within his knowledge to save Modi
from facing more questions about the Rafale deal.

5. Questions about the nature of Anil Ambani’s license

Trappier’s answer about his choice of Anil Ambani’s Reliance also raises
questions about the extent to which the necessary clearances and paperwork
have been completed.

India’s Offset Policy in Defence Procurement Procedure clearly states that
selecting an Indian Offset Partner (IOP) is the prerogative of the vendor
(here Dassault), but the IOP must hold a valid licence in accordance with
DIPP (Department of Industrial Production and Promotion) guidelines.

The DIPP’s “List of Industrial Licences Issued for Manufacture of Items
under Defence Industries from January 2011 to 3 July 2018” says that RAL
received a licence for “manufacturing and upgrade of airplanes and
helicopters specially designed for military applications” on February 22,
2016. Note that this license came 10 months after it created its JV with
RAL, as per Dassault’s own admission. This itself shows the casual – or
super confident – attitude Dassault adopted while deciding to partner with
Reliance ADAG’s RAL, a company which was swimming in liabilities and did
not even possess the relevant license at the time.

The Industries (Development and regulation) act 1951, section 11A of
Chapter 3 — Regulation of Scheduled Industries — says: “The owner of an
industrial undertaking not being the central government which is registered
under section 10 or in respect of which a license or permission has been
issued under section 11 shall not produce or manufacture any new articles
unless — 1) In case of an industrial undertaking registered under section
10, he has obtained a license for producing or manufacturing such new
article; and 2) In case of an industrial undertaking in respect of which a
license or permission has been issued under section 11, he has had the
existing license or permission amended in the prescribed manner.”

In the list of industrial licences issued till July 31, 2018, DRAL did not
take any new licence. That means, it decided to operate under the
industrial licence issued to RAL to manufacture military aviation products.
This raises the question of whether the manufacture of civilian aircraft
parts – as Trappier says the JV will focus on – would amount to violating
the terms on which RAL was issued a license in the first place.

The same DIPP document shows RAL’s address as “Survey Number 589, Taluka
Jafrabad, Village Lunsapur, Amreli District, Gujarat.” This raises another
issue. DPP rules categorically state that any change in the place or
location other than the one mentioned in the initial registration of a
company will not stand valid, and a new registration is required to be done.

6. Questions on eligibility of Anil Ambani’s Reliance as offset partner

Halfway through his interview to CNBC, Trappier said that although Dassault
wanted to have a private JV partner in India to set up facilities for them,
the Indian Rafale would have been built by HAL if the original MMRCA
contract had gone through,

The context was the place of offsets in the deal. Trappier explained that
for Dassault to be in India, it was his (Dassault’s) requirement to invest
in India to set up production facilities. The offset obligation is 50% of
the value of the contract. Dassault will discharge this obligation not only
via Reliance but by working with many other companies, he said. “We have to
be in line with DPP 2013 rules. We follow those rules. 40%, today, of the
50% of our obligations already identified in order to create the value…
Among the 40% we have already signed 30 agreements with companies, not with
JV, JV is one. We have 30 other companies with which we have already signed
today. And we are discussing with 70 others. And it is all around India.
10% of the 40% will go to DRAL, today.”

Trappier said he can’t disclose the actual value of the total offset
because it is a government to government deal, though Business Line has
placed the value at Rs 21,000 crore.  “To give you the value of [the] JV,
today, the capital of the JV is roughly Rs. 70 crore. It should go up to
Rs. 850 crore. 51% by Reliance and rest by us. This is the capital
investment. We started our production and we started fast. We created the
JV in the beginning of 2017. It was according to our previous agreement
including our initial agreement in 2012.”

Trappier’s answers raise some important questions. When he says Dassault
has to follow DPP 2013 rules and he is following it for this particular
deal, Dassault has likely already violated the offset rule by selecting
Reliance.

DPP 2013, Defence Offset Guidelines, Para 4, Indian Offset Partner, clause
4.1 reads: “Indian enterprises and institutions and establishments engaged
in manufacture of eligible products and/or provision of eligible services,
including DRDO, are referred to as the Indian Offset Partner (IOP).”

Reliance Aerostructure Limited will not fit in here as they were not
manufacturing any eligible products or were not engaged in any provision of
eligible services when Dassault chose them as IOP in 2015 or formally
incorporated its JV in 2017. That itself is a violation of offset
guidelines, and officials are bound to point this out as when Dassault
formally informs the Ministry of Defence that DRAL is part of its Rafale
offset obligations

7. Lots of offset partners or lots of subcontracts?

When Trappier says Dassault signed contracts with 30 companies and is in
discussion with 70 more, what he did not elaborate is whether these will be
direct contracts or  subcontracts routed through DRAL. A Dassault press
release of October 27,  2017 notes that DRAL’s Mihan’s facility “will also
attract and house an organic ecosystem of over 200 MSMEs to secure the
component and avionics manufacturing needs of Rafale and Falcon Jets.”


Artist’s plan for the Dassault Reliance Aviation Ltd plant at Mihan,
Nagpur. Credit: Dassault

Besides, RAL is the JV partner of Thales, which has the second highest
offset obligation after Dassault. But, nothing about the JV, its value or
its offset obligation responsibilities have been put out in the public
domain except  that the JV will be constructing a factory in the same place
where RAL has land (Mihan, Nagpur).

While explaining the current capital investment of the JV, Trappier
mentions RAL’s investment is just land and we have seen earlier RAL paid Rs
38 crore for 104 acres and alloted 60 acres out of that total to DRAL.

Again, Trappier persists with the disinformation about the “initial
agreement” with Reliance going back to 2012. Curiously, CNBC’s reporter
fails to point out that Dassault’s 2012 agreement was with Mukesh Ambani’s
Reliance and that it lapsed in 2014. And that Dassault’s new understanding
with ADAG was formed only after Modi announced his decision to purchase 36
Rafale in fly-away condition.

8. No clarity on price

On the pricing issue too, Trappier’s interview can only end up adding fuel
to the Rafale controversy. Firstly, Trappier confirms that there is no
change in the specification of the aircraft, weapons and any other ‘India
specific package’ associated with it from the original MMRCA deal. However,
the Modi government and BJP leaders have been insisting that the price is
high due to “India specific changes”.

Second, Trappier insists the base price of the aircraft actually came down
after negotiations by 9%, a point Arun Jaitley and others have made in
order to suggest the Modi government had better negotiating skills than its
Congress predecessor. He was obviously comparing the per unit price of 36
Rafales in flyaway condition with what had earlier been agreed would be the
per unit price of the 18 Rafales that were to come to India in flyaway
condition under the original deal. Since India is now buying more, it is
natural that there should be some reduction in price. In any deal where a
manufacturer has invested heavily to develop a product like an aircraft,
product development charges are added on to the cost of the product till
the manufacturer recover its complete investment. The higher the number of
products a manufacturer can sell, the lower would be the development cost
added on to the product.

Third, Trappier admits that had India opted for 126 aircraft under the
original MMRCA deal, the price in the long run would have been cheaper as
the bulk of the aircraft would have been made in India. In other words,
Trappier virtually admits that by announcing the purchase of 36 Rafale in
fly-away condition and scrapping the Make in India plan altogether, Modi
ruined India’s chance of getting its Rafales at a lower price.
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