Also: 'Indian, Pakistani Students at Oxford Issue Joint Statement For Peace: "War only benefits a handful of influential profiteering interests who feed on hatred and fear. It is the people who never wish for war that face its repercussions."' at <https://thewire.in/south-asia/indian-pakistani-students-at-oxford-issue-joint-statement-for-peace>.
Watch the visual. Sukla On 04/03/2019, Sukla Sen <sukla....@gmail.com> wrote: > The Lie Manufactruring Machines at work! > As usual, stupid lies. > > A few samples: > I. Famous dance exponent Sheema Kermani, at Karachi, leading a public > demo for peace, under the banner of the PIPFPD: > <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10218930004103531&set=pcb.10218930004503541&type=3&theater>. > > II. > <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10218930003983528&set=pcb.10218930004503541&type=3&theater>. > > III. > <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1168312363344152&set=p.1168312363344152&type=3&theater>. > > IV. > <https://www.google.co.in/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fcache.pakistantoday.com.pk%2FPakistan-India-Peoples%25E2%2580%2599-Forum-for-Peace-and-Democracy-PIPFPD-1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pakistantoday.com.pk%2F2019%2F02%2F16%2Fpak-india-peace-forum-stresses-condemns-pulwama-attack%2F&docid=0xWRhK1oRdmrIM&tbnid=23pgxPR6Z1UpkM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwi07anzxujgAhUFA3IKHeAxBrQQMwhTKBIwEg..i&w=640&h=417&hl=en-IN&authuser=0&bih=467&biw=1024&q=PIPFPD%20statement&ved=0ahUKEwi07anzxujgAhUFA3IKHeAxBrQQMwhTKBIwEg&iact=mrc&uact=8>. > > V. 'Text of Joint Statement by the National Committees PIPFPD of India > and Pakistan (26 February 2019)' at > <http://www.sacw.net/article14025.html>. > Excerpt: > <<Issued on 26th of February 2019 from Lahore and New Delhi (also > Mumbai, Islamabad, Karachi, Lahore, Kolkata, Bengaluru, Jammu, > Bhubaneshwar & Srinagar): > > We, the members of Pakistan India Peoples’ Forum for Peace & Democracy > (PIPFPD), from India and Pakistan, notes with seriousness and strongly > condemns the claims of Indian government of air strikes and bombing in > settled districts of Pakistan beyond LoC. It demands both governments > of Indian & Pakistan to show restraint and avoid any war like > situation. It further demands immediate measures from both sides to > de-escalate the situation and de-militarize borders by withdrawing > troops to the peace time level. > > PIPFPD, from India and Pakistan unequivocally condemn the massacre of > more than 45 CRPF personnel, at Pulwama, Jammu & Kashmir. We are also > appalled at the large-scale killings of the police, army personnel, > civilians and members of non-state armed groups, in diverse instances > that followed Pulwama killings. We are shocked and pained at the > number of human lives that is lost to guns, IEDs, missiles, bombs, > pellet guns, stones, etc. in the Kashmir valley—especially in the > increased instances over the last few years, since 2016.>> > > Sukla > > On 04/03/2019, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulka...@yahoo.com > [issuesonline_worldwide] <issuesonline_worldw...@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: >> So.... Both Pakistan and India have done what they wanted.But see their >> social media. There is no equivalent of'Sukla Sen' among them - going >> out >> of the way to undermineeverything that is Indian. One credit I will give >> to >> Pakistanisand Muslims. No matter what short-comings their society >> have.Their >> opposition leaders, social media, people never betraytheir own brothers. >> They never become mouthpieces of India.Never question even obviously >> false >> claims of their governments.And stand united. Unfortunately for us, we >> have >> too many Sukla Sens in our society. They have to quote Indian sources to >> counterclaims of India. There are more traitors among Indians than all >> theterrorists existing in Muslim countries. That makes us hang our headin >> shame. >> >> Sanjeev > > > sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulka...@yahoo.com > <issuesonline_worldw...@yahoogroups.com> > 13:49 (4 hours ago) > > So the consequences will be there. And we propose the surgical strike > should also be on the mouthpieces of the enemy inside India to put them > out of action. Enough of their anti-national comedy.. We do not need > terrorists or their supporters -whether within the border or outside. Wait > for the coming action-packed drama. > > Sanjeev > > From: "Sukla Sen sukla....@gmail.com [issuesonline_worldwide]" >> <issuesonline_worldw...@yahoogroups.com> >> To: issuesonline_worldw...@yahoogroups.com; IHRO <i...@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, 4 March 2019 1:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] A Balakot-size Bluff? I. 'Did >> India >> kill 300 terrorists in Balakot?' II. 'Reporting Balakot: the truth of a >> pantomime war: It’s hard to know what the prime minister has to show for >> his >> vaunted boldness besides a lost plane and a returned PoW' >> >> But, the slapped one, almost immediately, slapped back and, that too, >> with some demonstrated outcome. >> It doesn't even call for any special mention. >> It was for all to see. >> >> So ...??? >> >> Sukla >> >> On 03/03/2019, sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulka...@yahoo.com >> [issuesonline_worldwide] <issuesonline_worldw...@yahoogroups.com> >> wrote: >>> As you repeat, I also repeat. It is not the scale of destruction butthe >>> message that was given is important. When I slap you, don'tcount how >>> many >>> teeth still remain as per international media. >>> Sanjeev >>> From: "Sukla Sen sukla...@yahoo.com [issuesonline_worldwide]" >>> <issuesonline_worldw...@yahoogroups.com> >>> To: Foil-l <foi...@insaf.net> >>> Sent: Sunday, 3 March 2019 5:22 PM >>> Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide] A Balakot-size Bluff? I. 'Did India >>> kill >>> 300 terrorists in Balakot?' II. 'Reporting Balakot: the truth of a >>> pantomime >>> war: It’s hard to know what the prime minister has to show for his >>> vaunted >>> boldness besides a lost plane and a returned PoW' >>> >>> >>> [Who counted the dead bodies? And how?Were terrorists expected to remain >>> amassed and asleep, waiting to be bombed?That too after Donald Trump >>> issuing >>> a warning signal two days back?And what does the global media say? >>> A negotiated peace, negotiated with all the stakeholders, has no >>> alternative.A war has no real victor. >>> Also look up: I. 'Surgical Strike in Pakistan a Botched Operation?Indian >>> jets carried out a strike against JEM targets inside Pakistani >>> territory, >>> to >>> questionable effect' at >>> <https://medium.com/dfrlab/surgical-strike-in-pakistan-a-botched-operation-7f6cda834b24>.II. >>> 'Pakistani village asks: Where are bodies of militants India says it >>> bombed?' at >>> <https://in.reuters.com/article/india-kashmir-village/pakistani-village-asks-where-are-bodies-of-militants-india-says-it-bombed-idINKCN1QH29B>.III. >>> 'Balakot Strike: Pakistan To Lodge Complaint At UN Against India For >>> 'Eco-Terrorism'' at >>> <https://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry/balakot-strike-pakistan-to-lodge-complaint-at-un-against-india-for-eco-terrorism_in_5c792e5ce4b0de0c3fbff6d6>. >>> ***The analytical account at sl. no. II. below is truly remarkable.*** >>> <<Even if we were to give latitude for imperfect targeting, the second >>> question is, would the airstrikes help in changing the behaviour of the >>> Pakistani deep state qua sponsorship of terror? The answer, >>> unfortunately, >>> is no. Pakistan believes that the utilisation of semi-state actors has >>> furthered its strategic objectives in the broader South Asian region. >>> Despite all its treacheries, the United States still have to sup with >>> Pakistan because the ISI-military combine substantively controls the >>> most >>> potent semi-state actor in South West Asia — the Taliban. A modus >>> vivendi >>> with the Taliban is the sine qua non for an honourable US exit from >>> Afghanistan without making it look like a Vietnam moment. For a nation >>> that >>> believes that the use of terrorists is key to its strategic and tactical >>> policy in the region, a hundred-odd foot soldiers and a “knocked-out >>> camp” >>> is really expandable. They will easily be replenished and the games will >>> go >>> on.That brings you to the third question: What happens when the next big >>> terror attack takes place? For it would happen as it is not the end yet. >>> Having responded to Pulwama with conventional hard power and “raised >>> temperatures”, the nation will expect an even more pointed response. >>> What >>> would that be since even airstrikes have their limitations? Would next >>> step >>> be war then? That brings us to the fourth question: Is there space for a >>> limited war under a nuclear overhang between India and Pakistan? The >>> 600-pound gorilla in this equation is China that has huge investments in >>> Pakistan courtesy CPEC (China-Pakistan Economic Corridor). Is India >>> really >>> prepared for a two-front situation given that our defence expenditure >>> last >>> year was the lowest since 1962?...Finally, why did Pakistan de-escalate? >>> It >>> perhaps concluded that the Balakot strike had not hurt it morally or >>> materially, it had demonstrated its retaliatory capacity in broad >>> daylight >>> and it had downed an Indian asset and had a pilot in its custody.. It >>> was >>> the perfect moment to show the world that while India was the >>> belligerent >>> one, it was the responsible state wanting peace. For Pakistan, this >>> provided >>> an opportunity to whitewash the stain of being the Somalia of South >>> Asia. >>> It was not the United States, the Chinese or Saudi-UAE pressure, as some >>> would like to believe. Strategic calculations have to be based on >>> hardheaded >>> realism, not jingoistic hyper-nationalism.>>(Excerpted from sl. no. I. >>> below.) >>> <<And then the story took an extraordinary turn. On March 1, a report in >>> The >>> Indian Express, quoting an anonymous Indian military official, claimed >>> that >>> the IAF hadn’t crossed the border at all. In this version of the story, >>> Indian aircraft fired the Israeli missiles used for the strike from >>> inside >>> the LoC. If this is true, then the image conjured up in the minds of >>> Indians >>> following the news, of Mirages streaking deep into Pakistani airspace >>> and >>> startling the enemy, has to be replaced by the considerably more prosaic >>> picture of Indian fighter aircraft acting as firing platforms inside >>> Indian >>> territory. This isn’t entirely the fault of the official narrative: a >>> diet >>> of second world war movies has us stuck in an obsolete past where planes >>> have to be vertically above the ground that they target. But it does >>> make >>> you wonder what the sound and fury of the last week was actually >>> about..If >>> the Indian air force claims to have attacked non-military targets from >>> inside the LoC with little to show for it and if the Pakistan air force >>> claims to have fired missiles from its side of the border and hit open >>> ground, both sides can take issue with each other’s version of events, >>> but >>> to the wider world the exchange will seem like an expensive and >>> dangerous >>> charade pretending to be purposeful military action. ***Given that the >>> one >>> documented casualty was suffered by IAF (which, in turn, allowed the >>> Pakistan military’s favoured client, Imran Khan, to act like a >>> magnanimous >>> statesman), it’s hard to know what the prime minister has to show for >>> his >>> vaunted boldness. A lost plane and a returned PoW seem to be the >>> verifiable >>> answers.*** [Emphasis added.]And what of our chickenhawk anchors? Edward >>> Thompson, the great historian, once described an English journalist who >>> specialized in publishing government leaks as “a kind of official urinal >>> in >>> which, side by side, high officials… stand patiently leaking in the >>> public >>> interest.” Marvellously apposite though this is, it’s wrong in one >>> particular: in the Indian case, the high officials are redundant. The >>> ‘journalists’ in question collect their leaks at one remove, from news >>> agencies as independent and as committed to the truth as the Soviet >>> TASS.>>(Excerpted from sl. no. II. below.)] >>> I/II.http://www.asianage.com/opinion/columnists/030319/did-india-kill-300-terrorists-in-balakot.html?fbclid=IwAR07pZzS2qiqEW-T17YIqn0umM4KkTmpDEZmJ-wIl5caEdZ9CJgkqmn3eic >>> Did India kill 300 terrorists in Balakot? >>> Manish TewariManish Tewari is a lawyer and a former Union minister. The >>> views expressed are personal. Twitter handle @manishtewari >>> Published : Mar 3, 2019, 1:08 am IST Updated : Mar 3, 2019, 1:10 am IST >>> Pakistan claimed that it had deliberately targeted open spaces around >>> the >>> military bases to demonstrate its capacity to retaliate. The airstrikes >>> carried out by the Indian Air force on February 26, 2019, at Jaba Top, a >>> Jaish-e-Mohammed facility in Balakot, has injected a new dynamic in >>> Indo-Pak >>> relations. India demonstrated willingness to utilise conventional hard >>> power >>> to contain and combat terror orchestrated by the Pakistani state against >>> India from 1979 onwards. >>> Pakistan retaliated the next day by bombing Indian military >>> installations >>> in >>> Nowshera. The bombs fell in the vicinity of these establishments without >>> causing any damage.. Pakistan claimed that it had deliberately targeted >>> open >>> spaces around the military bases to demonstrate its capacity to >>> retaliate... >>> The Indian operation raises germane questions having long-term >>> implications. >>> First, did the operation achieve its intended objective? Indian Air >>> Force’s >>> chief, Air Vice-Marshal R.G.K. Kapoor, in response to a question, >>> stated: >>> “It would be premature to say what is the number of casualties that we >>> have >>> been able to inflict on those camps and what is the number of deaths.” >>> This >>> factual statement belies the source-based “plants” in pliable and >>> jingoistic >>> media outlets that 300 terrorists, trainers, indoctrinators and their >>> handlers had been eliminated in the airstrike. >>> Credible Western media outlets with access to the region like the New >>> York >>> Times reported, “The view that little had been damaged was supported by >>> military analysts and two western security officials, who said that any >>> militant training areas at the site in the Pakistani province of (KPK, >>> Khyber Pakhtunkhwa), had long since packed up or dispersed.” Washington >>> Post >>> stated: “Initial reports from local police officials and residents who >>> spoke >>> on the condition of anonymity confirmed that a strike took place in a >>> mountainous area a few miles outside town, but they said they saw no >>> signs >>> of mass casualties.” Daily Telegraph wrote: “Villagers in the area told >>> Reuters they heard four loud bangs in the early hours of Tuesday but >>> reported only one person wounded by shrapnel.” >>> “We saw trees fallen down and one house damaged and four craters where >>> the >>> bombs had fallen,” the Guardian said. “The attack was celebrated in >>> India, >>> but it was unclear on Tuesday whether anything significant had been >>> struck >>> by the fighter jets, or whether the operation had been carefully >>> calibrated >>> to ease popular anger over the February 14 suicide bombing without >>> drawing >>> a >>> major Pakistani reprisal.” Gulf News recounted: “From what villagers >>> could >>> see, the Indian attack had missed its target as the bombs dropped >>> exploded >>> about a kilometre away from the madrasa. Fida Hussain Shah, a >>> 46-year-old >>> farmer, said he and other villagers had found pieces of Indian ordnance >>> that >>> had splintered pine trees on the hill but the only casualty was a man >>> sleeping in his house when shrapnel broke the windows.” >>> An analysis by the Digital Forensics Lab of a leading US think tank led >>> with >>> the headline —”Surgical Strike in Pakistan a Botched Operation.” It >>> pronounced: “Using open-source evidence and satellite imagery, @DFRLab >>> was >>> able to confirm the location of the Indian airstrike to be near Balakot, >>> rather than inside it, and firmly within Pakistani territory. The target >>> was >>> supposedly a JeM-led madrasa, but @DFRLab was unable to confirm that any >>> bombs reached buildings associated with it. The SPICE-2000 is a >>> precision-guided bomb that should not miss its target by the >>> approximately >>> 100 metres that the impact craters were from the nearest structures. The >>> autonomous nature of the SPICE-2000 adds mystery to why the bombs seemed >>> to >>> miss. Satellite imagery did not suggest that any damage was inflicted to >>> nearby buildings. Vegetation and low imagery resolution could >>> hypothetically >>> obscure structural damage, but this remains highly improbably. Something >>> appears to have gone wrong in the targeting process?” In a nutshell, >>> influential sections of the international media and strategic community >>> are >>> of the view that the operation did not achieve its purported objective.. >>> Even if we were to give latitude for imperfect targeting, the second >>> question is, would the airstrikes help in changing the behaviour of the >>> Pakistani deep state qua sponsorship of terror? The answer, >>> unfortunately, >>> is no. Pakistan believes that the utilisation of semi-state actors has >>> furthered its strategic objectives in the broader South Asian region. >>> Despite all its treacheries, the United States still have to sup with >>> Pakistan because the ISI-military combine substantively controls the >>> most >>> potent semi-state actor in South West Asia — the Taliban. A modus >>> vivendi >>> with the Taliban is the sine qua non for an honourable US exit from >>> Afghanistan without making it look like a Vietnam moment. For a nation >>> that >>> believes that the use of terrorists is key to its strategic and tactical >>> policy in the region, a hundred-odd foot soldiers and a “knocked-out >>> camp” >>> is really expandable. They will easily be replenished and the games will >>> go >>> on. >>> That brings you to the third question: What happens when the next big >>> terror >>> attack takes place? For it would happen as it is not the end yet. Having >>> responded to Pulwama with conventional hard power and “raised >>> temperatures”, >>> the nation will expect an even more pointed response. What would that be >>> since even airstrikes have their limitations? Would next step be war >>> then? >>> That brings us to the fourth question: Is there space for a limited war >>> under a nuclear overhang between India and Pakistan? The 600-pound >>> gorilla >>> in this equation is China that has huge investments in Pakistan courtesy >>> CPEC (China-Pakistan Economic Corridor). Is India really prepared for a >>> two-front situation given that our defence expenditure last year was the >>> lowest since 1962? >>> Fifth, if a conventional response to terror in addition to being >>> escalatory >>> is inefficacious, where do we go from here? The only answer is to >>> redevelop, >>> expand and deploy lethal covert capacity that allegedly former Prime >>> Minister IK Gujral dismantled in the late 1990s. For ghost wars can only >>> be >>> fought using ghosts, not conventional means. The Indian state must >>> surmount >>> its dilemmas about outsourced responses to terror. >>> Finally, why did Pakistan de-escalate? It perhaps concluded that the >>> Balakot >>> strike had not hurt it morally or materially, it had demonstrated its >>> retaliatory capacity in broad daylight and it had downed an Indian asset >>> and >>> had a pilot in its custody. It was the perfect moment to show the world >>> that >>> while India was the belligerent one, it was the responsible state >>> wanting >>> peace. For Pakistan, this provided an opportunity to whitewash the stain >>> of >>> being the Somalia of South Asia. It was not the United States, the >>> Chinese >>> or Saudi-UAE pressure, as some would like to believe. Strategic >>> calculations >>> have to be based on hardheaded realism, not jingoistic >>> hyper-nationalism. >>> II.https://www.telegraphindia.com/opinion/reporting-balakot-the-truth-of-a-pantomime-war-after-the-pulwama-terror-attack/cid/1686059 >>> Reporting Balakot: the truth of a pantomime warIt’s hard to know what >>> the >>> prime minister has to show for his vaunted boldness besides a lost plane >>> and >>> a returned PoW >>> By Mukul Kesavan >>> Published 3.03.19, 9:15 AMUpdated 3.03.19, 9:16 AM5 mins read Indian Air >>> Force officials in New Delhi on Thursday, February 28, show sections of >>> an >>> exploded Amraam missile said to be fired by PakistanPTI Photo >>> The ongoing reportage on the cross-border skirmishing this last week has >>> been bewildering. The average news-consuming citizen could be forgiven >>> for >>> wondering if anything he thought he knew about the Indian bombing of >>> Balakot >>> and Pakistan’s response actually happened or whether every event in this >>> narrative was subject to continuous and radical revision. >>> The first impression anyone watching Indian news channels or reading its >>> newspapers would have had of the Indian raid was this. Indian aircraft >>> crossed the Line of Control for the first time since 1971. They didn’t >>> merely venture into Pakistan- occupied Kashmir; they flew into >>> undisputed >>> Pakistani territory, into Balakot in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, within a >>> hundred >>> miles of Islamabad, and bombed a terrorist camp. Their attack left >>> hundreds >>> of terrorists dead. All Indian aircraft returned undamaged from their >>> daring >>> and unprecedented raid on Pakistan. >>> The main takeaway from this first draft of history was this: India had >>> finally broken with the policy of restraint in the face of Pakistani >>> provocation. Instead of being blackmailed into quiescence by Pakistan’s >>> nuclear capability as Manmohan Singh’s government had been after the >>> terrorist rampages of 2008, Narendra Modi’s regime had boldly chosen to >>> draw >>> new red lines. It had shown Pakistan’s deep State that India’s response >>> to >>> ISI-sponsored terror would not be constrained by precedent or >>> convention, >>> that India was willing to escalate the conflict in a precise and >>> targeted >>> way. >>> Pakistan denied the existence of such a camp or any casualties and >>> showed >>> photographs of a ploughed-up grove of pine trees, claiming that the >>> swift >>> response of its air force had forced Indian pilots to hastily dump their >>> missiles on untenanted landscape. (Pakistan’s climate change minister, >>> manfully striving to establish an equivalence of terror, subsequently >>> accused India of bombing a forest reserve and being guilty of >>> “eco-terrorism”.) >>> Gradually, through the fog generated by shock-jock boosterism, the >>> outlines >>> of another story became visible. In this version, the Indian government >>> had >>> never formally put a number on the terrorists killed. That had been a >>> bit >>> of >>> colour attributed to ‘sources’ cited by patriotic news agencies. Nobody >>> knew >>> the extent of destruction or the number of casualties.. This was either >>> because satellite cameras had been obstructed by cloud cover or because >>> the >>> Pakistanis had restricted access to the camp and repaired the damage >>> before >>> it could be reported on, or because there had been no tenanted camp >>> there >>> in >>> the first place. >>> Sober national security pundits dealt with this mutating story by >>> encouraging their readers not to miss the wood for the trees. Whether >>> India’s aircraft had killed militants or pine groves was irrelevant. The >>> big >>> picture was made up of India’s willingness to use air power to answer >>> terrorism, the depth of the incursion and the indelible lesson the >>> Pakistanis had been taught: namely, that India would not hesitate to >>> strike >>> Pakistan’s mainland if it didn’t mend its rogue ways. This was not >>> exclusively a bhakt position; sage security experts, committed to the >>> national interest, not Mr Modi’s electoral fortunes, saw the attack as a >>> necessary, if long-deferred, lesson. >>> The Pakistani retaliation that followed almost immediately in broad >>> daylight >>> was first successfully repulsed by India’s news channels, with ranks of >>> F-16s sent packing by the IAF’s MiG-21s. Pakistan had another story. Its >>> spokespersons claimed that two Indian planes had been shot down and two >>> pilots captured. After hours of silence, an official Indian statement >>> acknowledged that one of the IAF’s pilots was missing. In the meantime, >>> Pakistan had uploaded photos and videos of a captured pilot, Wing >>> Commander >>> Abhinandan Varthaman. Later in the day, Pakistan walked back its claim >>> that >>> it had captured two pilots but continued to maintain that it had shot >>> down >>> two Indian aircraft. Meanwhile Indian officials claimed that a MiG-21 >>> had >>> shot down an F-16 and its pilots had been seen parachuting into PoK. >>> So, from the precise and bloody destruction of a terror camp, the >>> official >>> version had shifted to the symbolic significance of raiding Pakistani >>> territory (never mind the damage) and from there, in the face of the >>> undeniable fact of Wing Commander Abhinandan’s capture, to a bid to >>> establish parity in terms of planes lost. India hasn’t yet produced >>> radar, >>> video or AWACS evidence for its claim. The one factor in favour of the >>> downed F-16 story is Pakistan’s own claim that it shot down two Indian >>> planes. Since there is no evidence to show that India lost a second >>> plane, >>> it might just be the case that Pakistani spokesmen ran with the >>> two-plane >>> theory and then backtracked because one of the planes was theirs: an >>> F-16 >>> perhaps, or one of its Chinese fighters, the JF-17 Thunder. >>> Without concrete proof of camp destruction or the shooting down of the >>> F-16, >>> and faced with the embarrassment of a lost jet and a captured pilot, the >>> Indian story shifted again. The return of Wing Commander Abhinandan >>> became >>> the new horizon. Politicians and anchors demanded his release... and >>> received it. Imran Khan, keen to earn global brownie points by >>> de-escalating >>> and with the propaganda advantage of having made the only documented >>> ‘kill’ >>> in this skirmish, promptly announced Abhinandan’s release as a “gesture >>> of >>> peace”. >>> From exacting vengeance for the 40 Indian soldiers killed by terrorists >>> to >>> demanding the return of a single captured pilot, India’s strategic >>> objectives seemed to shrink. The Indian government staged a novel media >>> event where senior military officers appeared outside South Block, and >>> took >>> turns to hold the shards of an AMRAAM air-to-air missile. Since this was >>> a >>> missile only carried by F-16s, the point of this demonstration was to >>> show >>> that Pakistan had used these planes against India in combat in breach of >>> its >>> agreement with the US. From drawing bold new red lines to litigating the >>> use >>> of military hardware, the official narrative had run aground. >>> And then the story took an extraordinary turn. On March 1, a report in >>> The >>> Indian Express, quoting an anonymous Indian military official, claimed >>> that >>> the IAF hadn’t crossed the border at all. In this version of the story, >>> Indian aircraft fired the Israeli missiles used for the strike from >>> inside >>> the LoC. If this is true, then the image conjured up in the minds of >>> Indians >>> following the news, of Mirages streaking deep into Pakistani airspace >>> and >>> startling the enemy, has to be replaced by the considerably more prosaic >>> picture of Indian fighter aircraft acting as firing platforms inside >>> Indian >>> territory. This isn’t entirely the fault of the official narrative: a >>> diet >>> of second world war movies has us stuck in an obsolete past where planes >>> have to be vertically above the ground that they target. But it does >>> make >>> you wonder what the sound and fury of the last week was actually about.. >>> If the Indian air force claims to have attacked non-military targets >>> from >>> inside the LoC with little to show for it and if the Pakistan air force >>> claims to have fired missiles from its side of the border and hit open >>> ground, both sides can take issue with each other’s version of events, >>> but >>> to the wider world the exchange will seem like an expensive and >>> dangerous >>> charade pretending to be purposeful military action. Given that the one >>> documented casualty was suffered by IAF (which, in turn, allowed the >>> Pakistan military’s favoured client, Imran Khan, to act like a >>> magnanimous >>> statesman), it’s hard to know what the prime minister has to show for >>> his >>> vaunted boldness. A lost plane and a returned PoW seem to be the >>> verifiable >>> answers. >>> And what of our chickenhawk anchors? Edward Thompson, the great >>> historian, >>> once described an English journalist who specialized in publishing >>> government leaks as “a kind of official urinal in which, side by side, >>> high >>> officials… stand patiently leaking in the public interest.” Marvellously >>> apposite though this is, it’s wrong in one particular: in the Indian >>> case, >>> the high officials are redundant. 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