I've sort of followed this chain.... sorry if I am rehashing something that has already been covered. IMHO I agree that GtkGLExt should be directly integrated into GTK. Most modern user interfaces (IE OS X (NextStep)) are integrating 3D directly into the windowing system. If I am not mistaken the panel is pure Open GL in OS X, and for sure the iChat multi session video window is pure OGL with reflection maps (they love to tout that). Their development toolset is chalked full of OpenGL examples, and composer... well I won't even go there. GTKGLext does NOT currently work well on OS X interface (even though there is a patch for it, which still needs to be changed to use the NSOpenGLView instead of the NSView but that is whole other story). Open GL is not only the standard scientific toolset, it is the de facto hardware acceleration tool set. I don't know of ANY video card vendor that DOES NOT have OpenGL support. In fact I can not think of any other hardware accelerated tool sets (OGL has been it since the early 90's) it WILL be the interface choice of the future. 2D desktops will quickly give way to 3D widgetry, as hardware acceleration improves even further. Just look at compiz! I've already got users asking me to make the app look more 3D, and it would be great to have the toolset to do so. Even though all were doing is simple EPR stuff. IE If I could create a 3D warehouse map that was navigable by the user to see where they have room to store a product, or look at a product space for a visual cue to order more. This is an old concept Motorola developed about its factories and training workers virtually. Of course, this is all a wish list, I can't demand of the community to do the work I my self have no time for, but it would be really really really supercalifragilisticexpialidocious-ly great to have a fully working OpenGL implementation in GTK for OS X, and if it is dropped for GTK 3.0, I'm afraid it will not serve the community well.
I did not quite catch why it was not a good idea. Saying that is like saying it is not a good idea to have the printing subsystem, or input subsystem be exposed in GTK. GTK in essence is an abstraction layer, to hide the differences in interface functionality, giving the user (programer) a singe interface to write agains. Why should we not have the same thing for OpenGL, which is a component of the user interface? Again this is all MHO, and I certainly have not invested a dime in it, so wether it happens or not I will work around it, but it would be nice, very, very nice, to have an GTKOGLWindow in GTK's base library, or at least something like pango/cairo, as a compiler option module. EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:26:05 +0100 > From: y...@physics.muni.cz > To: eba...@gmail.com; jose.carlos.pere...@ist.utl.pt > Subject: Re: GtkGLExt (was Re: Gtk 3.0) > CC: gtk-app-devel-list@gnome.org > > On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 08:51:54PM +0000, Carlos Pereira wrote: > >> I'm really not working on it - mainly for three reasons: 1) if you want to > >> use GL, GtkGlExt is "good enough" and integrating it into gtk+ it's not a > >> good idea; > > > > 2) GtkGlExt is good enough for GTK-2.0, I never had a single problem with > > GTKGLExt. > > > > 4) Scientific/engineering applications often use OpenGL, > > Exactly. I've been using GtkGLExt in a scientific app for years and I'm > quite happy with it. Cutter does not cut it if you need to visualize > scientific data in 3D. > > Unfortunately, scientific/engineering apps seems to *be* niche use. Look > at how hard SourceForge tries to hide this software category even though > it contains 50× more projects than VoIP which is promimently displayed... > > So I hope something like GtkGLExt will continue to be available, whether > it's called GtkGLExt or not and is integrated into Gtk+ or not. > > Yeti > > _______________________________________________ > gtk-app-devel-list mailing list > gtk-app-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-app-devel-list _______________________________________________ gtk-app-devel-list mailing list gtk-app-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-app-devel-list
