BAAAAD move Louis! (Robert retrofitting his trials bike with spikes for glaciers:) Susan & I have booked a room in Duluth, MN to go to Trials Nationals (no I'm not ENTERING) on Aug 12/13. <----Steve G. take note.....DO NOT VIEW TRIALS videos. This is really a good sport for some of us old farts on this list. I get no fun zooming around on trails dirtbike fashion, but screwing around on obstacles & difficult spots is really a blast (give me a shovel instead of a plow anyday). I find the safest for a beginner rider like me is to go up an erosion from rain into the side of a "cliff" so if (err..when) you fall, you fall to one of the sides of the arroyo? Robert (Douggie) Wilson >How about a trials bike course inside that pole barn? Like Robert I purchased a trials video and now I have to have a trials bike. There should be a warning label on those videos. CAUTION: Viewing this video may cause an extreme burning sensation in your wallet. Case studies have shown subjects who view this video drive their motorcycles straight at rock walls, into waterfalls, and over other vehicles. Louis