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The Vision was a 550, not a 500. Just being picky, my first street bike was
a Vision 550 with the full fairing. Nice looking bike I always thought. I
moved on to a Seca 650 Turbo, then a Zuki Katana 1100 (1988) then the GTS in
1995.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 1:45 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: When will Yamaha learn (Was RE: Intermot)
In your message dated: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:00:23 EDT,
your pithy ruminations on <When will Yamaha learn (Was RE: Intermot)> were:
=>
=>
=> On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Burton, Bob wrote:
=>
=> > Yes we noticed but no reason for those of us in the USA to look at it
since
=> > only the FZ-1 (Fazer) is coming to the USA this year. Besides it has
forks
=> > :)
=> > Bob B.
=>
=> When will Yamaha ever figure out the basics of Marketing 101 and start to
=> sell us what we want. The new sport tourer looks good, yes, and Bob's
Oh, yes. That's got to be Yamaha's weakest point.
The only bike that they got "right" in that business model was the FJ. That
was
what, 11 years of production, mucho refinement, and they basically stopped
selling it when the restrictions (noise, power, primarily) due to being
air-cooled were too much.
Let's see...Yamaha models that would have been great if they had kept
selling/developing/refining them, but they stopped (at least for US sales)
too
soon:
Vision 500
SRX 600
TDM 850
GTS
=> fork comments notwithstanding, I'd seriously entertain buying one if I
=> could. More importantly.....
=>
=> I went to Yamaha of Australia's page. Let's see, the bikes I'd seriously
=> consider buying......
=>
=> The SZR660, first and foremost. If Yamaha would import it I'd have a
=> deposit at my favorite dealer tomorrow.
Me too!
=>
=> The TRX850. I'd still consider it, but it would have to displace my Duc
=> 900 CR for garage space. If Yamaha had brought this bike in before I
=> bought the Duc......
Maybe...
=>
=> The TDM850. Hmmmmmm. Interesting. No deposit yet, but not out of the
=> question.
=>
=> The Diversion 900. Since we don't get the new FJ, this would be an
=> alternative.
Nothing that special, I'm afraid.
=>
=> Etc.
=>
=> Not all of us are waiting to buy cruisers, dirt bikes, or fully faired
=> Supersports.
=>
=> Phil
=>
=> P.S. I've lately gotten a lot more serious about the MuZ Scorpion, which
=> is the SZR660 motor brought in by a low budget firm since Yamaha can't
=> afford to get the motor past EPA. Hmmmmmm again.
I'd really like a Skorpion.
=>
=> P.P.S. I don't need the response that these bikes would sell in low
=> numbers in the U.S. Hey, if MotoGuzzi can stay in this country at all,
=> Yamaha can afford to support a few cult bikes. The SZR in particular
=> would sell in enough numbers to justify it. Heck, the GTS would sell in
=> enough numbers to justify it.
Think of how much $$ the BMW R1100RS sells for...now think of how much
better
the GTS is, and how much cheaper. If Yamaha had kept selling the GTS after
1994, it could have been a real winner.
Mark
=>
=>
=>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The Vision was a 550, not a 500. Just being =
picky, my first street bike was a Vision 550 with the full =
fairing. Nice looking bike I always thought. I moved on to =
a Seca 650 Turbo, then a Zuki Katana 1100 (1988) then the GTS in =
1995.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 1:45 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Multiple recipients of list</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: When will Yamaha learn (Was RE: =
Intermot) </FONT>
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<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In your message dated: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:00:23 =
EDT,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>your pithy ruminations on <When will Yamaha learn =
(Was RE: Intermot)> were:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Burton, Bob =
wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> > Yes we noticed but no reason for those =
of us in the USA to look at it since</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> > only the FZ-1 (Fazer) is coming to the =
USA this year. Besides it has forks</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> > :)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> > Bob B.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> When will Yamaha ever figure out the basics =
of Marketing 101 and start to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> sell us what we want. The new sport =
tourer looks good, yes, and Bob's</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Oh, yes. That's got to be Yamaha's weakest point. =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>The only bike that they got "right" in =
that business model was the FJ. That was </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>what, 11 years of production, mucho refinement, and =
they basically stopped </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>selling it when the restrictions (noise, power, =
primarily) due to being </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>air-cooled were too much.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Let's see...Yamaha models that would have been great =
if they had kept </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>selling/developing/refining them, but they stopped =
(at least for US sales) too </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>soon:</FONT>
<BR> <FONT SIZE=3D2>Vision =
500</FONT>
<BR> <FONT SIZE=3D2>SRX =
600</FONT>
<BR> <FONT SIZE=3D2>TDM =
850</FONT>
<BR> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2>GTS</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> fork comments notwithstanding, I'd seriously =
entertain buying one if I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> could. More importantly.....</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> I went to Yamaha of Australia's page. =
Let's see, the bikes I'd seriously</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> consider buying......</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> The SZR660, first and foremost. If =
Yamaha would import it I'd have a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> deposit at my favorite dealer =
tomorrow.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Me too!</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> The TRX850. I'd still consider it, but =
it would have to displace my Duc</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> 900 CR for garage space. If Yamaha had =
brought this bike in before I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> bought the Duc......</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Maybe...</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> The TDM850. Hmmmmmm. =
Interesting. No deposit yet, but not out of the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> question.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> The Diversion 900. Since we don't get =
the new FJ, this would be an</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> alternative.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Nothing that special, I'm afraid.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> Etc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> Not all of us are waiting to buy cruisers, =
dirt bikes, or fully faired</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> Supersports.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> Phil</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> P.S. I've lately gotten a lot more =
serious about the MuZ Scorpion, which</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> is the SZR660 motor brought in by a low =
budget firm since Yamaha can't</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> afford to get the motor past EPA. =
Hmmmmmm again.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'd really like a Skorpion.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> P.P.S. I don't need the response that =
these bikes would sell in low</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> numbers in the U.S. Hey, if MotoGuzzi =
can stay in this country at all,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> Yamaha can afford to support a few cult =
bikes. The SZR in particular</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> would sell in enough numbers to justify =
it. Heck, the GTS would sell in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> enough numbers to justify it.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Think of how much $$ the BMW R1100RS sells for...now =
think of how much better </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the GTS is, and how much cheaper. If Yamaha had kept =
selling the GTS after </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>1994, it could have been a real winner.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Mark</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=3D> </FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 =
Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>'94 Yamaha GTS1000A</FONT>
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SIZE=3D2>rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supp=
orters</FONT>
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