Hi Ryan, > I think if we do that then Python will need a treatment similar to GCC, > where we don't expose the package and instead offer a compound package > (could be called "python-toolchain" or just "python") which includes pip > and setuptools. The last decades of python packaging have trained people > that when you install python you get pip and setuptools as well, I think > we should not try to be too clever and violate that assumption. this change is actually more about moving forward and adding PEP 517 support to python-build-system. Being able to demote setuptools and pip to ordinary packages is merely a side-effect, because they’re not essential any more.
Your mail seems to be incomplete, it stopped after: > Also, for what it's worth, we already have python-minimal which doesn't > have pip, and it's only Cheers, Lars
