Hi Ludo' (and Attila) On Fri, May 17 2024, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> look at any service you’re using that has a custom ‘start’ or ‘stop’ > method doing weird things; make sure none of them can block. Okay, that's the probably the source of my problems. I do a lot of things in Guile in my operation-system declaration (without even a program-file). It's just too convenient! The resulting lack of isolation probably causes my issues, although there seem to be a class of runtime errors causing me trouble that are not blocking behaviors. (Remember my time with the days of the week starting with zero instead of one?) Some Newbie errors are hard to debug with Shepherd. In fairness, that's probably true for all of Guile. A better way to develop services is probably to use the Shepherd's REPL. I have done so one time before and am now reading the manual. The Shepherd may become a real sensation when folks outside Guix become aware of it. It's a wonderful piece of software. Please also allow me to address Attila's comments. I cannot say whether I encountered a bug in Shepherd, or whether Attila and I saw the same bug. I am sure, howeer, that the Shepherd's behavior sometimes deviates from my expectations. It's probably because I'm not using it right but it can be a real source of frustration and anxiety at times. And Attila, as for your interaction with Ludo' I am not sure there is great value in venting about Ludo' making changes that are difficult to rebase upon. It is the privilege of a maintainer. You are not the only one to have felt that frustration. At the same time, your contributions to the Shepherd could be very valuable. You are talented and committed to excellence. All you have to do---if it's not an overreach for me to say so here---is to get yourself on the same page with Ludo'. Please forgive my professorial tone. For example, if Ludo' doesn't want debugging statements all over the place there must be another plan to capture the output. (Ludo' has not said how, or I read over it.) There is no point to litigate the details here, but I would be happy to offer my help to mediate so that your contributions become more acceptable upstream. As a rule, I do not contribute to projects where my own direction diverges too much, unless I offer features that are universally attractive. Life is too short. Fortunately, I do not see irreconcilable differences between your direction and Ludo's but you have to keep an open mind. I write in peace. Felix P.S. I'm looking out for a reproducer!
