On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 2:55 AM, Onno Meyer <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Onno offered a TL8 designed/built sailing ship facing Nelson - ergo in a
> > set
> > TL5 world.  So those world rules apply to the ship - which was the point
> I
> > was making.
>
> That wasn't the point I was trying to make.
>
> If both sides decide to ignore a technology option, there is a
> level playing field, and vehicles which would be inefficient a
> more reasonable universe can still win. That Nelson remark was
> to say they're a substantial improvement over earlier TLs, too.
>
> Imagine people had looked at early turbojet engines and said
> "no way those Rube Goldberg contraptions will ever work". We
> might have seen TL7 wars fought with increasingly efficient
> prop fighters, which are viable designs as long as both sides
> have the same mental blinders. A supersonic jet might be able
> to outrun them with ease, but there are no supersonic jets
> because nobody bothers to build them. Props are an existing
> tech, after all, and TL7/8 prop fighters beat those old WWII
> clunkers with ease, so obviously there is still room for
> progress. (There might be a nice vehicle concept or two
> lurking somewhere, BTW ...)
>

there are hard limits on prop tech, though.  They can only go so fast, fly
so high.  the first side that has a jet bomber gets to drop bombs from above
the operating limit of the enemy's fighters, pretty much with impunity,
until they build a jet fighter to go after them.

It could be that the real world has similar blind spots where
>
it comes to plentiful free energy and easy space travel. By
> definition, we can't know. We do known that tracks are viable
>

Yeah, and the unicorns in central park are real pests at this time of year.


> for ground vehicles, so I want Mecha which can be justified
> in an universe with tracked vehicles. The justification
> doesn't have to be watertight or universally applicable,
> just enough to convince a couple of generals and congressmen
> to put some poor GIs into walking AFVs.
>
> US WWII tank destroyers sounded good on paper, too :-)
>

You'll notice they disappeared after the war, too.  Lots of really clearly
bad ideas have billions of bucks spent on them.



-- 
David Scheidt
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