Well; I guess I should respond to you and Kim by telling you to go sign off the list then; that's the equivalent of Kim and Raul's remark that if I found any problems, I should just go sell it (with all the troubles and financial loss that would entail).
As it happens we all have to read messages from time to time we're not interested in, and that's why we have delete keys. in this case, 2 other people asked for pros and cons of the booksense in order to help them make a purchasing decision. they're entitled to ask, just as those of us who replied are entitled to our opinions which we shared. Also, I believe I and others are entitled to have the problems corrected. if they aren't, then yes I will sell it, but I will still hold an opinion, and will still share it with others who ask, and it won't be "torturing myself" as some drama-queen described it to do so. Chip -----Original Message----- From: Rod Gowen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 10:05 PM To: [email protected]; Kim Lingo Subject: Re: [GW-Booksense] RE: Pros and Cons for Booksense XT vs. Victor Read Stream No, Kim, you are not the only one who is getting tired of it! Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Lingo" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: [GW-Booksense] RE: Pros and Cons for Booksense XT vs. Victor Read Stream > Am I the only one who thinks this whole BookSense VS. Stream thing is > getting rather old? How many more ways can you beat something to death? > If you donh't like the Book Sense, and don't want to sell it, get a > big hammer! The physical act of breaking it might provide some > physical satisfaction. You could even make a recording of it, and > find a way to post it to the list. > Of course, there are some what I consider minimal problems with the > Booksense. That's probably in the mind of the beholder, but if you > tell me there aren't any problems with the Victor Stream, I'm willing > to believe that one too--just like I believe in the tooth fairy. > Kim Lingo > At 04:01 PM 11/25/2009, you wrote: >>Hi Raul, >> >>I'm afraid this is one more of my issues: >> >>I think support for the booksense has devolved into something close to >>name-calling; it's pretty hostile, and pretty personal any more. >> >>telling me to sell it if I don't like it isn't responsive, >>understanding, or sympathetic, or even showing a willingness to say >>"yes, there are problems. >>Even if I do sell it, I will still have an opinion, which I hope I can >>express without being publicly attacked for it. ...". >> >>as for it being a Hims product: if GW intended for that to be the >>case, GW would have left the Hims nameplate on it; you put the GW >>Micro name on it, that makes it a GW product. it's no longer a >>concern of mine, nor a viable excuse, to say it's really made by >>someone else. all products for sale in this country are ultimately >>made by someone else. >> >> I have indeed, as have many many others, reported the conditions >>under which your place can be lost: please don't imply this is the >>first you've heard of that problem. >> >>to demonstrate it you only need to have 2 or more mp3 audio books loaded. >>get your place established in one, then switch to another book. play >>it for a while, and come back to the first book; you will be at the >>beginning. >> >>yes, I do think if you advertise the player as having bluetooth >>headset capabilities, and you sell the headset, and to make use of the >>capability you must buy the headset, then yes, I think it's fair to >>count the cost of the headset. >> >>And no, I never at any time "blamed" gw for the Sony's design with the >>flashing blue light; I only reported it as one of my many problems. >> >>Raul, I have to say your post feels a lot like a personal attack on >>what was, after all, something clearly labeled as only an opinion. >>such posts are certainly going to discourage any free exchange of >>ideas and opinions on the list, and I think are out of line. >> >>Chip >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Raul A. Gallegos [mailto:[email protected]] >>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:03 PM >>To: GW Info Discussion List >>Subject: Re: Pros and Cons for Booksense XT vs. Victor Read Stream >> >>Hello Chip. >> >>1. If you are not happy with your BookSense, no one is forcing you to >>keep it. Sell it and allow someone to make better use of it. >> >>2. Audio quality is subjective. Much like which synthesizer is the >>best to use is completely subjective. >> >>3. The cost of accessories, I.E. Headphones, carrying case, ETC is >>irrelevant because no one forced you to purchase them. So I >>respectfully disagree that the BookSense is $600. In addition, you >>have issues with the lights of the Bluetooth headphones and blamed GW >>for that even though GW sells the Sony headsets and even though most >>Bluetooth devices have lights. >> >>4. If you are losing your place, and you have a specific problem, >>please give us exact steps on it or on any problem. >> >>5. Although GW Micro sells the BookSense in the U.S. The BookSense is >>manufactured by HIMS and they sell the BookSense all over the world >>and so must maintain firmware releases for other languages and other >>software featuresets other than U.S. customers. Also, GW Micro does >>not have the final say on release dates, cost of firmware, features >>and bug fixes. We do take all things seriously and can pass them along >>and most have been fixed however. >> >> >>Feel free to forward this to the BookSense list if you so choose. >> >>Many thanks. >> >>On 11/24/2009 10:01 PM, Chip Orange wrote: >> > Oh, >> > >> > since I mostly stopped use of my booksense, I did forget a >> > significant problem; it was recently expressed in the booksense >> > message below, and several others agreed with him, as do I: >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: George M Gogas [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:52 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: [GW-Booksense] preset equalizer and Audio Quality >> > >> > Hi >> > >> > I just recently purchased a booksense XT and find the audio >> > quality for music to be pretty bad. Hopeflly they will incorporate >> > separate bass and treble controls. The whole eq reset thing is awful. >> > My BlackBerry has better sound and it is just a phone. >> > >> > George . >> > >> > ---------- >> > >> > Chip >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:38 PM >> > To: '[email protected]' >> > Subject: RE: Pros and Cons for Boksense XT vs. Victor Read Stream >> > >> > Hi Heidi and Barbara, >> > >> > I consider it to have been a large mistake when I purchased the >> > booksense XT. I find it's design buggy from one end to the other, >> > with the bluetooth option in particular just not working, and many >> > other features almost not working because of the bugs. >> > >> > Jeff's mention of the memory is I think, irrelevant. he's counting >> > 8gb which is the SD card; which of course you could also have in >> > your >>victor. >> > I've found no particular advantage to having a separate 4gb drive >> > built-in; nothing that a 4gb larger card wouldn't achieve. >> > >> > the clock is an advantage, and the radio is something of an >> > advantage, but it cannot be used with the bluetooth headphones, and >> > it only allows for six preset stations. >> > >> > >> > many of us on the booksense mailing list are generally unhappy with >> > GW for selling us an xt, which retails for about $600, which is >> > rather obviously still very much a beta product. so much so that >> > some of us have gone back to using our victors, because losing our >> > place constantly, or having the booksense lockup and having to go >> > get a toothpick to press a little button to reset it, is just too annoying. >> > >> > yes, certainly, some day many of the software problems will be fixed. >> > GW will not answer the question I've repeatedly asked if the >> > bluetooth problems are software only, and so can be expected to be >> > fixed. the radio not working with bluetooth is a hardware issue >> > and cannot be fixed. the bluetooth headphones resold by GW are, in >> > my opinion, of poor quality and you'd be better off purchasing >> > someone else's other than >>those Sony's. >> > >> > also, if you need RFB&D support, that's still not available. >> > >> > in my opinion I do not find the controls easy to locate and to use; >> > they are crammed much closer together than those of the victor, >> > because it's so much smaller, and so I find it very easy to hit the >> > wrong button. this can easily cause you to lose your place in the >> > book. with the victor you can press a "jump back to where I was" >> > key to solve this, but there isn't one on the booksense. >> > >> > many people do find the quality of the TTS voices, used for reading >> > non-audio books such as text file books, to be better on the >> > booksense. I think they're better, but I think it doesn't really >> > matter; I get used to whatever I'm listening to. >> > >> > the booksense does not come with any sort of belt clip case; you >> > must purchase that as a $35 extra, and it holds the booksense >> > upright, not upside down as the victor case does; I find this >> > position harder to operate, and the case itself blocks access to some controls. >> > >> > some people do find the folder structure of the booksense to be an >> > advantage. the victor does also allow you to place books and music >> > in folders, but only allows you to make use of the folders >> > somewhat; that is, the victor displays to you books in subfolders >> > of a folder as if they were many books in a single folder. the >> > booksense does show you the folder structure which you set up. I >> > haven't yet found a need for this ability, but maybe I will; it's >> > worth mentioning in trying to cover >>everything. >> > >> > oh yes, the booksense is supposed to play one important audio book >> > format which the victor cannot: that's WMA using digital rights >> > management. I haven't yet tried it out, it's not all that common >> > to find audio books using this format as compared to the other formats. >> > >> > the booksense is supposed to play other audio format books, such as >> > those in mp3, but right now in my opinion it cannot be said to do >> > so because of all the problems it has with them. >> > >> > despite my listing a lot of differences, they're very similar types >> > of products, and I'm surprised GW felt the need to bring out one >> > more, almost identical daisy book player. I would have hoped if >> > they bothered to bring out a new product, they would have added >> > some new feature or capability not found in portible book players >> > (something significant; I don't mean a talking clock). >> > >> > let me go ahead and apologize now to anyone who's getting upset >> > because I'm saying less than flattering things about a GW product. >> > it's just one man's opinion; you (meaning anyone upset) can get on >> > the booksense mailing list; read the archives, and form your own opinions. >> > >> > hth, >> > >> > Chip >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Heidi [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:30 PM >> > To: 'Barbara'; 'Gwmicro' >> > Subject: RE: Pros and Cons for Boksense XT vs. Victor Read Stream >> > >> > I would appreciate this information as well. 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