By the way, I also had a gateway computer, here at work, that I liked. My first home computer was one built for me. I really liked it. But when I needed a new computer, I couldn't locate those guys. So, a friend helpped me with the specs and I got a Dell.
Sandra Fouts Phone Counselor Arkansas Attorney General's Office 323 Center Street, Ste 200 Little Rock, AR 501-371-2303 Fax 501-682-8118 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Belle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 3:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Fw: Dell systems and such YOu make a very good point. I haven't had any trouble with dell computers and window-eyes lately, but I do know that folks have had video issues with some of their laptops, and with a custom system your less likely to have trouble with non-proprietary stuff. But I don't have anything personally against hp or dell or any of that stuff if that's what a person wants, merely I point out what might be a better path to follow for some and for those who want to try and do better. These companies purposely do things differently so you have to buy stuff from them if something breaks, like connections for power supplies, and hook-ups on motherboards, and of course even if you can un-install all the extra software, it's much better not to have to because that's not always clean, better to not put stuff you don't want on a machine in the first place. Anyway, I never meant to be condesending or a know it all. Just been doing this a long time and have lots of experience and want to give others the benefit of it since I do work on them a bit. No I'm not the best tech around and don't pretend to be 'grin'. At 11:52 AM 8/3/2009, you wrote: >Besides, long time ago, there were some computers like HP >computers, that did not work well with speech programs. That was >something like 10 years ago or so. Now they seem to work fine. >However, I would think that like any other program, they could work >different with different brands of computers. > > >Sandra Fouts >Phone Counselor >Arkansas Attorney General's Office >323 Center Street, Ste 200 >Little Rock, AR >501-371-2303 >Fax 501-682-8118 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Belle [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:43 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: Fw: Dell systems and such > > Brenda, it is folks like you that need help and the reason I > post messages like I do. > >I'm sorry that some feel like certain topics aren't relevant, like >Chip telling me I'm off topic, well, what does he think I'm accessing >my back-up programs with if not window-eyes or vocal-eyes? > >So his assertion that we're not using gwmicro products is ridiculous. > >People ask about email issues and office issues etc, well, if we're >gonna start knocking stuff that doesn't have anything specifically to >do with window-eyes, let's knock off his pet office project, and other >things let's not be a hypocrate about it. > >I'm glad gwmicro doesn't sensor this list, because I find anything >accessed with gwmicro products to be relevant in context with we, or >ve, or any other gwmicro product. > >Also, there was just someone having issues between moving between >versions of we who was a beta tester? > >Well, imagine that, a drive imaging program could help out a lot of >beta testers, it sure helped me out when I was allowed to be one. > >So information about dell computers, back-up programs, scripting, and >of course Chip's pet office access stuff, it's all relevant. > >So people that don't like my posts on the subject can just push the >delete key, and for those who do appreciate the useful information I >post well, they are the one's that matter. > >By the way Chip, even though I'[m not a big office user, I can see how >your messages might help others, too bad you can't see how mine might >be useful. > >YOu might be smart enough to back up your stuff already and don't need >any help, but others might. > > >At 08:36 AM 8/3/2009, you wrote: > >I find info about Dell computers relevent to this list because I am > >concerned about what will work best with W-E. The info I have learned > >will help me when I decide to buy another pc in the future. > > > >Brenda > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Orange" > ><[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:02 PM > >Subject: RE: Dell systems and such > > > > > >>I agree with Ralf, this has nothing to do with window eyes or any GW > >>product, and the list is supposed to be limited to GW products. > >> > >>rationalize all you like, this topic belongs on some other list. > >> > >>Chip > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Chris Belle [mailto:[email protected]] > >>Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:36 PM > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: RE: Dell systems and such > >> > >>What is the name of the list? > >> > >>It says gw-info right? > >> > >>I see topics on here relating to all kinds of access issues, book > >>sense, email programs, etc. > >> > >>Butch and I are using a gwmicro product to access our computers, it > >>might be an older product, but we happen to have gained a lot of > >>independance from said product used in a productive way, namely > to do back-ups. > >> > >>I see messages all the time concerning this sort of thing, and as > >>stated in the email, access shouldn't be a window's only approach, > >>we limit ourselves even worse than we already are when we do this. > >> > >>So useful information on how to do vital tasks like backing up, and > >>any products accessed with any gwmicro products, even legacy ones I > >>consider to be relevant and on topic. > >> > >>If Your system crashed, and I was next door to you, and I could > >>teach you how to get all your stuff back with an imaging program, > >>you might like it if someone showed you how to do such a thing or > >>had > information about it. > >> > >>Blindies don't seem to care about such things anymore, but they sure > >>scream and holler when they loose their stuff. > >> > >>I'm glad someone took the time, another window-eyes user by the way, > >>to show me how to do back-ups with ghost, which got me started, and > >>then I discovered image for windows and dos and linux, and then > drive snapshot. > >> > >>because system restore can't compare or casper, or any of these > >>windows only solutions just don't cut it to a full blown imaging > >>program, which gives lots of security, and the reason I post > >>publically is just incase there's anyone interested out there who > >>might benefit from knowing about such, and the remote off-hand > >>chance that they might investigate and learn to do something outside > >>what seems to be the very inadequate prescribed norm these days > >>which > is top tier access only. > >> > >>I believe I mentioned that drive snap shot worked with window-eyes > >>too, so that makes it definitely on topic. > >> > >>So what back-up program do you use? > >> > >>And does it work with window-eyes and will it save your bacon and > >>get your system back for you if you have a hard-drive crash or > >>virus, or other problem? > >> > >> > >>At 03:13 PM 8/2/2009, you wrote: > >>>Sorry for asking, but how does this thread relate to Window-Eyes? > >>> > >>> > >>>Ralf Kefferpuetz > >>>Germany > >>>MSN/Live: [email protected] > >>>Aim: RalfKatEMC > >>>Skype/Yahoo: rkefferpuetz7747 > >>> > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Chris Belle [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 8:16 PM > >>>To: [email protected] > >>>Subject: Re: Dell systems and such > >>> > >>>Unless you'd rather I didn't, I'll go public with this so others > >>>might benefit since I think it's very relevant for people like ;us > >>>who aren't happy with just a top level access and who use older > >>>stuff as well as newer stuff to give us greater independance. > >>> > >>>I really appreciate your encouragement and the conversations we've > >>>had through the years keeping some of this stuff going and > comparing notes. > >>> > >>>We've been able to avoid lots of problems using imaging problems, > >>>it's saved your bacon numbers of times, just like it has mine. > >>> > >>>I have a good teching buddy up in Ok who believes strongly in it, > >>>and uses dos still to tech with, and he builds machines and > >>>everytime, hands down, even though it's got it's limitations, I > >>>think it gains up a lot of control that blind people in windows only don't > >>>get. > >>> > >>>They'd rather spend hours playing with registry cleaners, and > >>>spyware tools that don't really work, when it's so wonderful to hit > >>>the bitton, walk away and go get a coke, and come back to a system > >>>fresh as the day you bought it with all your favorite stuff > >>>installed > the way you like. > >>> > >>>Ok enough evangilizing, I just want people to know that old > >>>technology can be great and is worth preserving and using when you > >>>can, I like what that other cat said about something not being > >>>obsolete because the computing world says it is but only when it > quits serving your purpose. > >>> > >>>Drive snapshot is a german made software which makes images to > >>>another drive, much like image for windows dos and linux does. > >>> > >>>YOu don't have the gui in dos, but you can use batch files, and it > >>>does text writes so you can see progress and all. > >>> > >>>In windows, you get a nice gui. > >>> > >>>One executable works in dos and windows, and also opens up image > >>>files for you to look inside. > >>> > >>>It doesn't have the extra drivers like image for dos for cd and usb > >>>access and such, but you can install those yourself. > >>> > >>>It's a great tool, and I've starting using it because it allows me > >>>to get to my ntfs drives without that memory limit that ntfspro has > >>>with > >>image.exe. > >>> > >>>1600 fsb is 1600 front side bus. > >>> > >>>That's the fastest processors supported at that time. > >>> > >>>Driver genius is a program that can save out drivers for all your > >>>devices, and also find them on the net for you. > >>> > >>>It doesn't do as well on the later part, but if you want to restore > >>>a system and don't have driver disks handy, and you need to grab > >>>your drivers out of an existing install, driver genius is great, > >>>and it works > >>with we. > >>> > >>>I had an older version around here, so that might have been the > >>>problem with not finding the netcard drivers, but still, I made it work. > >>> > >>>Yeh, well, the only way you could get around having integrated > >>>paripherals is to install xp on that machine, run driver genius and > >>>then > >>re-install 2k. > >>> > >>>And then use the drivers you got out of xp. > >>> > >>>For an older machine 2k is still a better option since it doesn't > >>>hog as much as xp, so great for anything like a p2 anything less > >>>than a 700 or 256 megs of memory, I say put 2k on it or w98. > >>> > >>>Well, if you do it all yourself, and really go budget and get your > >>>own parts, you could do a 3gig 2 core machine for probably 5 bills. > >>> > >>>But this machine here was built by sonica labs, and it's decked out > >>>with all the finest stuff from that time, passive cooled video, big > >>>quiet power supply, it was when the first run of 45 nm stuff first > >>>came out, and I got it loaded with 3 big sata drives and 2 good > >>>burners and > >>>2 gigs of ddr2 memory. > >>> > >>>Sonica labs replaced a machine no questions asked when dhl mangles > >>>the first one, which had an asus mobo, and they gave me a better > >>>machine to replace it, better mobo I think gigabyte mobos are > better than asus. > >>> > >>>This board > >>>has 2 pci slots, 2 pci express 16 slots, and I forget how many pci > >>>express one slots, but it's got all the other stuff I mentioned in > >>>the > >>other email. > >>> > >>>What's good about this motherboard is that it does ide immulation > >>>very well, even to the point of being able to load a dos cdrom > >>>driver to access the burners. > >>> > >>>Some of the lesser motherboards won't do that, ide immulation from > >>>the bios isn't all created equal. > >>> > >>>Also for a music machine, sonica labs disabble ahci mode, which > >>>makes it better for us doing installs and such, and also apparently > >>>timing issues and such in windows is better when the hardware controls > >>>things. > >>> > >>>This makes sense, as we used to disabble pci steering and do > >>>dedicated physical irqs to a slot for our audio interfaces back > >>>before things got robust enough in windows to handle it. > >>> > >>>Now we don't do that so much. > >>> > >>>But apparently, even though ahci mode offers hot swapping and other > >>>cool stuff, the experts say let the bios handle it. > >>> > >>>Which while we're running these hybrid systems, is the best thing > >>>right now for people using their computers for the stuff I do. > >>> > >>>Because if you enable ahci mode, you'd have to have text mode > >>>drivers, and unless your using nlite which isn't perfect, you'd > >>>have a bitch of a time with unattended installs, those text mode > >>>drivers can be tricky, and you couldn't get past the part when xp asks for > >>>a disk. > >>> > >>>there are some voodoo you can use with the unatend.txt file, but > >>>safe to say text mode drivers are harder to deal with. > >>> > >>>Ok, I don't know everything, and I'll probably get some rocks > >>>thrown at me by people who haven't got anything better to do than > >>>to be jerks but here's my understanding of why we don't have safe > >>>mode > or talking installs. > >>> > >>>The same bios which helps us out and makes windows and the whole pc > >>>work better in one situation also has boxed us in. > >>> > >>>That's why you need a bios upgrade everything they add a new bus or > >>>change drive geometries, this is old 80s technology, very limited > >>>memory, and legacy dos level stuff, and there's no memory to load > >>>drivers and software to make things talk. > >>> > >>>Intel around 98 I believe it was if I remember the white paper I > >>>read released efi I believe it stands for extended firmware > >>>implementation or interface, some such, and this basically does > >>>away with the bios and allows the computer operating system to talk > >>>to the hardware directly from the get go, this is what apple uses, > >>>and the reason it can run windows natively is that it immulates the > >>>old pc bios, but because other operating systems have left the bios > >>>behind, there's much more memory and resources to do stuff like what we > >>>want. > >>> > >>>They don't have the real mode limitations, so if we want voiceover > >>>to talk me through an install, no problem. > >>> > >>>But with the old bios stuff, when you barely got enough memory to > >>>do these big drive geometries, and even start to talk to all the > >>>stuff we've crammed in to a modern pc, you can just forget about > >>>loading software for a talking install. > >>> > >>>I'm sire I don't have it 100 percent right in all the particulars, > >>>but that's my layman's understanding of things. > >>> > >>>When we get efi based systems, then a lot more stuff will be > >>>possible, and hardware upgrades will be much simpler, I believe the > >>>one good thing about vista I saw was that efi implementation has started. > >>> > >>>I don't know much beyond that, only that with all the hasles we > >>>have with the bios, and the translation that has to happen, and the > >>>handing off to windows and such, that efi will speed things up a > >>>lot and make compatibility easier. > >>> > >>>This will happen in time, but microsoft is dragging it's heels > >>>behind everybody else as usual. > >>> > >>>Well, atleast we have imaging down, which get's us out of having to > >>>use safe mode to fix a hosed system, botched driver install, etc. > >>> > >>>It's not the best solution, but it works every time, pc acts up, if > >>>you can't fix it reasonably quick, just image your system drive, > >>>and your back in business. > >>> > >>>Keep email and other junk off on other partitions, and nothing > get's hosed. > >>> > >>>YOu know, that 137 gig limit might be the key thing here, I should > >>>try and re-size that partition and see if it fixes my issue. > >>> > >>>I used to think it was the 4k line thing, I had the same problem > >>>with > >>>fat32 when I first got these drives, and then I re-formated fat32 > >>>4k line, and it seemed to fix some things, but the problem is back. > >>> > >>>So maybe 4k line fat32 is some of it but not all the problem. > >>> > >>> > >>> At 10:26 AM 8/2/2009, you wrote: > >>> >I've never tried drive snapshot. Does it make an image or just > >>> >keep a mirror image on another drive? I use fat 32 on all my stuff. > >>> >makes life simpler. I had the same problem with sata drives on > >>> >dos, I think there is some doundary around 137 gig that dos won't > >>> >see. I generally partition all my stuff on larger drives. I > >>> >guess sata is faster, but I've had less problems with ide drives. > >>> >I also use western digital my book and image for dos sees those > >>> >fine and ai can > >>restore from those. > >>> > > >>> >What is 1600 fsb? > >>> > > >>> >Never heard of driver genius. What does this do? UI couldn't > >>> >use your trick on that dell as it was an on board card, sound and all on > >>> >the mother board. When you say cheap, any guess on how cheap for > >>> >a 3 gig dual core machine? > >>> > > >>> >It really ticks me off we don't have speech in safe mode or > >>> >talking installs. 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