Thanks for mentioning the key combination that you did.  That is the 
combination that I forgot about.

I have waited for as much as 20 or 30 seconds with the same results.  I will 
get the sound script that you mentioned.

Thanks for your quick response.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Marvin Commerford 
  To: Stanley Littrell 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:11 AM
  Subject: Re: when screen readers refuse to die


  Hi.  I have similar configuration but I do not have System Access.  I will 
use NVDA, JFW demo and primarily WE.  I use ctrl-insert-f4 to close WE and 
answer the prompt to close it.  I also have the WE sounds script running so I 
get the feedback that the dialog is working.  I don't have the problem you 
describe.  I wonder if you're trying to switch screen readers too quickly.  
Close 1 and wait a few seconds before bringing up the alternative one you want. 
 I've seen this with JFW as well but you really have to make sure where you are 
when you start another sr.  
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Stanley Littrell 
    To: [email protected] 
    Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:56 AM
    Subject: when screen readers refuse to die


      Greetings fellow listers

    I have three screen access programs on my system.  I'm using windowsxpsp3 
with the great scripting functionality with WindowEyes.  I am also using System 
Access and NVDA.  I have the WindowEyes kill WinEyes script installed.  When I 
shut down WE it doesn't always work totally.  If I use the control ult f4 
conbination to try to kill WE it doesn't always go away.  When I do 
simultaneously use another screen reader I sometimes hear the unable to set 
hook error and when I hit o.k. WE can restart. The problem happens when I stop 
WE and often happens when I try to restart WE after using another screen access 
program.  In other words, WE sometimes refuses to die and it sometimes refuses 
to start.  When I try to restart we I am often told that WE is already is 
running.  

    While I'm an unabashed supporter of WE since 1994 I do like other products 
for different reasons.

    I'm not sure what has changed because I haven't always had this problem.

    Any help would be appreciated.
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