Yes, in fact, on the example album mentioned, I have two MP3 copies
of the album from two different masterings, one a standard version of
the album bought around 2006 from a now defunct site and one ripped
by myself from my Hybrid SACD of the 20th Anniversary release using
Exact Audio Copy. Both not only play gaplessly burned as an MP3 CD on
both of my Oppo DVD players and my Oppo Blu-ray player, they also
play gaplessly on my 4g iPod Nano and my old Zen Stone player which
is not exactly a feature and resource rich piece of kit.
Resources have absolutely nothing to do with gapless playback. It is
all about the flags and how the album was ripped. Even the days of
needing to get deep into settings to get an album perfectly ripped
seem to be past. I've always had my EAC set up to account for the
frame offset of my drives to make sure not a single frame of a song
is missed, and it works well, but I've recently been a bit lazy and
have ripped a number of albums with iTunes since I haven't gotten EAC
set back up after a hard drive crash earlier this year and after
ripping several albums mastered for gapless playback without
bothering to check the box for gapless playback I discovered that
they all play gaplessly without any problems on every device I've
tried them on.
I have no doubt that this issue can be dealt with on the Book Sense
through firmware. It just needs to recognize the flags. A cross fade
feature is not even needed to accomplish this, though one might be
nice for folks that like to listen to their music in general this way.
Regards,
Chris
At 09:16 AM 5/7/2010, you wrote:
Heh, I feel compelled to interject here on the subject of gapless
output. For starters, the book sense hardware is more than up to
the job. There's a 500 mhz processer and 128 megs ram to be getting
on with. That is more resources than my current windows mobile
pocket pc has. I don't know what the spec of my talking sansa e
series is, but I do know what it is not, and that is anything close to 500 mhz.
I don't know why it is this way, but the mp3 format itself is
designed to gap the songs on your player. The mp3 cd you played in
your cheep player had gaps in it, not because the processer couldn't
handle gaps, but because the gaps were introduced into your mp3s by
the encoder, which for some reason is by design.
So, what we need to do is build a crossfader into the firmware of
the book sense. The crossfader would be designed to handle anything
from fading songs in and out of one another, to managing the delay
between songs by fading the gaps together. This can be done for
sure for sure. My sansa e series rockboxed has so many crossfade
options and settings that I don't even know what half of them are
fore and I've been meaning to get with the manual on that because
it's a feature I use a lot. It's definitely something that can be
handled within the firmware if the book sense designers should be
inclined to ad the feature.
Best,
Erik Burggraaf
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On 2010-05-07, at 10:03 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
> Evan and all, let me first start off by saying I agree that there should
> be no pauses in albums which are not meant to have pauses. However, the
> reason CD players don't pause, even the cheap ones, is because there is
> no encoding/decoding. Also, this is the way CD players just work. Just
> to prove my theory however, I purchased a cheap $20 CD player which also
> plays MP3 CDs. If I play Dark Side of the Moon as a regular CD, I get no
> pauses on this cheap player. However if I play a CDROM with the MP3s of
> the same, I do get the pauses. This is because the player is most likely
> taking some time to decode before it starts playing. One could argue
> that Winamp doesn't do this on the PC, but the PC has way more
> processing speed and muscle than the BookSense. So at least in this
> case, the CD player comparison to the BookSense can't apply.
>
> Now I will go return the player.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> On 5/6/2010 4:08 PM, EVAN REESE wrote:
>> The pause between tracks may be fine for many albums, however there are
>> many others that are intended to be heard continuously, even though the
>> tracks may have separate titles. When I first mentioned this issue here,
>> Raul mentioned Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon as a particular
>> example where the pause between tracks diminishes the listening
>> experience. I can think of many others, both in the classic rock genre
>> as well as in several subgenres of electronic music where the pause
>> between tracks negatively affects the listening experience. And, as I
>> said, many albums were not intended to be heard with pauses between
>> tracks; so the Book Sense should not be inserting one. Whether there is
>> a pause between tracks is something that should be left up to the
>> creators of the music. Any portable CD player can play a CD the way it
>> was intended to be heard, that is, without pauses between tracks if that
>> is the way its creator wanted it to be heard. The Book Sense should
>> function the same way for albums that were ripped from CD's.
>>
>> Evan
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita Weyler" <[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Cc: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [GW-Booksense] New Voices, Features, and then Some
>>
>>
>>> I like the pause between tracks although it has been awhile since I
>>> have played any music so I can't remember how long the pause is. I do
>>> like a pause between tracks.
>>> Rita
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