These are also good suggestions. I always do the user window thing to
speak the row and column position. I like the idea of scripting the
ctrl keys to advance the cursor by word; will have to look into that.
Yes, I've seen that multi screen stuff for ISPF for some time now. I
saw some of that implemented probably fifteen years ago. I find that to
be quite handy. It's tab browsing fifteen years early:).
On 03/15/2011 09:17 AM, Steve Jacobson wrote:
Steve,
My approach to the mouse is the same as yours given that 3270 emulation is
somewhat different than VT-100 emulation. Reflection also moves the cursor
to the mouse if one clicks the mouse. I tend to use my cursor to do the
exploring and use the mouse pointer to watch areas that might change. What I
have done with Reflection is to write scripts that I could associate with the
CONTROL LEFT and RIGHT ARROWS to give me the ability to move the 3270
cursor word by word. With this ability, I found that I could do most of my
reviewing, especially in the SPF Editor, with the actual 3270 cursor. I also
defined
a user window to start at column 9 so that I could move within the SPF editor
without hearing line numbers. This is not 100% reliable but it works well
enough for me. As it turns out, if I move the 3270 cursor into the line number
area outside of my user window, Window-Eyes goes back to reading the
whole window so I can optionally get line number when I want them without
switching user windows. I also defined a user window to read the cursor
position that Reflection displays in lines and columns and associated that
window to a hot key, and I use hyperactive windows to monitor the status line to
tell me when the system is busy or when I can enter data. I also found that
associating reading the current line with the TAB key usually gave me enough
information to do what I need to do. The ability to program PF keys to do
certain things within the SPF editor such as delete the line that the cursor or
insert
a line below are helpful. These keys simply execude line commands but they
work without having to reposition the cursor into the line number area.
There have been some new things in IBM's ZOS that may have changed since you
were programming. You don't have to have the wasted line of dots
when you split screens any more, and you can actually have more than two
screens going at a time. There is also sort of a clipboard function within ISP
edit that we have only had here for the past few years that I find useful,
although it only works at the line level. Of course, the Windows clipboard also
works.
There is a lot I could do with Reflection scripts and Window-Eyes apps, but I
just have not had the time nor do I have big problems to solve. I know you are
an old hand at 3270 stuff so there probably isn't much here that you don't
already do. I hope that hummingbird works all right for you.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:42:04 -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
That bit with the auto mouse pointer routing sounds like an
interesting idea. Something I hadn't thought of in this case.
Sometimes in the past, I have often liked keeping them separate
because I could mouse around to read screen contents and then click on
a desired part of the screen to move the cursor to that part of the
screen. Hope this makes sense. One really powerful feature in Extra,
anyhow, is single clicks of the mouse move the 3270 cursor to the
mouse pointer position. This is particularly handy while editing
programs in ISPF.
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:14:15AM -0400, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
Hi, one thing which I prefer when using any sort of terminal program
is setting the mouse pointer to follow the cursor. That way if I
type a command and quickly need to review the output, I just press
numpad-8 to move the mouse pointer one line up from where it last
moved. This also comes in handy if using menu style programs where a
highlight may move and we see it as a cursor. Also, if you are in a
menu and you quickly need to read certain parts of the screen such
as a customer database entry, user windows may help.
Thanks.
On 3/13/2011 9:37 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
I'm glad to hear that it works with Window-Eyes. Yeah, I figured on
the mouse key review action. I had to do that with Extra too and I
can't see any other way to do that anyway because 3270 stuff is
largely full screen oriented anyway. Did you have any issues with
having to redraw screens to keep the Off Screen Model current?
Were you able to access all functions of the program?
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 03:08:23PM -0600, Joe Lanier wrote:
Hi,
I have used hummingbird and it is somewhat accessable. The vt100 emulation
works well, but, you need to use the mouse keys to read the terminal screen.
This is the case with all of the emulaters I have used I.e. putty, telnet
and so on. This package can utilize many emulations including 3270.
Warm Regards.. Joe Lanier
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Holmes [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 2:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: 3270 Terminal Emmulation Software
I have come into a new programming gig in California at an IBM facility
where they use a software package called "Humming Bird" to connect the PC to
the mainframe for 3270 terminal access. Has anyone heard of this software
and if so, how well might it work with Window-Eyes?
I just got offered this job and expect to start a week from this Monday! If
Humming Bird turns out to be a bust with WE, then I think they are willing
to be flexible with an alternative. I happen to own a personal copy of
Extra for Windows version 6.5 that I can bring in but I would like to see or
know in advance if their native stuff would work instead.
Thanks for any ideas and input.
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