Well, Thanks for your reminder about the JavaScript. Yet, no. When I started
using the online banking service, it actually required me to download and
install Java. Not JavaScript. And, I have ran across a couple of other
services, which actually did require Java. I am aware, that many banking
services out there, do require no Java, hence this fact might be new to you.
But I even can confirm to you, that having the WE4Java app installed, it
notifies me, that I am turning into a Java-based window, through several of
my banking activity. And what is more, just about all banks here, are doing
the same, since they basically use the same identification system. Even the
netshops here, are using that Java-based identification system. Well, first
telling you, several of the online services offered by the Government and
local authorities here, do use Java-based services for personal
identification. It is becoming more and more common, and makes it harder and
harder for the blind people here. Believe me, it is Java, and not
JavaScript, we are talking about. It even is that much Java, that not even
WE4Java will help you much; meaning, as long as the screenreader does not
support Java natively, the blind people here keep loosing ground. New to
you? I am sure. But all the more so, I can but confirm to you, we are
talking about Java. Whether you like the fact or not, may as well get that
stuff installed, and hope for GW and the rest of the Screen reader gang, to
have more sufficient Java support implemented soon as possible. If not, the
blind people will soon have very few choices, when come to what they can do
in any cases, where personal identification is necessary. You no longer will
be helped by a username and password, for your logging in and identifying
yourself.
I know, this is shocking news for many of you, who live in places like
North-America. But there really does exist places where this is a big
headache. Even the Blind-orginization, seem to have failed in getting
through to the right people on this matter. The business industry -
including most banks, just about any domestic netshops, local and national
authorities, and other services requiring personal identification - they all
use Java-based ID methods. No JavaScript will help you here. Only the full
installation and updated version of JAVA itself, will let you through. With
no Java support in WE, the blind person is left working literally in the
"dark". Too bad, and seems to be lowly prioritized. Still the fact remains,
that if one screen reader comes with Java support, and the others don't
follow custom pretty immediately, the authorities here will soon enough
change their mind, as to which screen reader they will buy and give to the
blind people here.
Did you think, this is a domestic problem? Maybe our country is among the
worst on the matter. Yet, I know, that the same is the case in a handful
other countries. Even so, I do know it, since the bank I am using, has its
devitions across several countries, and none of these have other log-in
methods, far as I have come to know.
So again, thanks for telling me about the JavaScript. Yet, I refered to
Java-services, simply because I meant Java-based services - nothing else.
And as already stressed, the Java service is becoming more and more vital in
the online identification industry. Maybe you can do without it, and if so,
congratulations to you. But many a user out there, will soon realize why
their new computer came with Java installed.
Just a breath from the big world abroad. Smile.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Mannion" <[email protected]>
To: "David" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: java interference
Hi David,
Thank you very much for your reply and for reminding me about
ninite.com. I knew about that service and never used it yet and forgot
the name. To make one point more clear though, I think you may be
thinking of java script that is required for so many common things
such as your banks web site. Having java script in your browser and
having it enabled is important for that and many other things such as
shopping sites, etc. That is different than having java installed.
Most people's home computers do not have java installed on them at
all. Others, such as this Dell I have here, come with it preinstalled.
Thanks,
Jim
On 9/29/12, David <[email protected]> wrote:
Well, you might just as soon run into a number of things on the web,
which
will require Java to be installed. Your bank's homepage, just to mention
one
example.
As for a number of other stuff, so also with Java. It is a kind of
security
measure, that we simply have to deal with.
Good news here is, that there is a simple, user-friendly and easy to
operate
solution around. Use the service you find at Ninite.com, and build an
installer. Let it hold Java, your Antivirus of choice, something like
SuperAntiSpyware or Malwarebytes, and both the versions of Flash. Then
download it, save it to an easy-to-remember place like your desktop. Give
it
a simple name like "PC Security Updater". From now on, simply run this
installer, every time you want all your stuff to be updated. The service
is
totally self-sufficient, quick and simple. It does all its job on its
own.
If the stuff is not already on your computer, it will be downloaded and
installed. Any subsequent run, the chosen software packages will simply
be
updated. No toolbars, adware or any other bloat will be installed, and
the
service needs no user interaction. Simple, easy and intuitive; it just
cannot be done anything more easily.
Do you happen to have more than one computer? Simply copy the downloaded
installer to all your systems. This will solve your problems on all the
computers.
From now on, whenever you get the baloon notifying you of an update,
simply
go to your installer, and run it. Further on, if you did save the
installer
on the desktop, you can even give it a global hotkey. Now you can run it
from anywhere on your computer. Or, make sure to get into a habit of
running
the installer, maybe something like once or twice a month. If you know
how
to build a scheduled task in Windows, you will even be able to put the
installer up for regular runs. How much simpler can a manual task - or
should we rather say, a set of manual tasks - be made?
HTH
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Mannion" <[email protected]>
To: "Tom Kingston" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: java interference
If you need Java installed at all. Maybe you do, I don't know. I got
tired of it's constant update nagging and just being an additional
security risk for something that I think is mostly ever inaccessible
when it is used anyway. So I uninstalled Java.
On 9/29/12, Tom Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
To route the mouse pointer to a balloon just hit the mouse to focus hot
key (Insert-Numpad-plus) twice.
Hth,
Tom
On 9/28/2012 4:42 PM, Josh Rivera wrote:
Hello friends,
CAn someone out there tell me how to stop getting a "java updater"
message no matter in what program I am working. I don't know where to
click, as it tells me to click on this baloon to get the update.
Where's
the baloon? Anyway, it's annoying. So is there any way to stop getting
this?
Using Win-XP with WE-7.5.4.1.
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