Thank you, I understand.
-----Original Message----- From: Doug Geoffray [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 8:12 AM To: Jim Ruby; [email protected] Subject: Re: f8 copy command Jim, This is by design. I responded privately to a user about this yesterday...below is my explanation I sent him (slightly modified for public consumption). This gets very hard to explain but the two f8 issues you provide are by design...but here it goes. Window-Eyes 9 now uses IE to actually select the information. We give it the beginning and end and it selects. This has a couple advantages. First, this acts exactly like a sighted user would get if they took the mouse and selected the text. They would get the same results. Second, it allows for formatting to be included. Window-Eyes 8.4 simply gave you the text and no formatting or graphics or anything. The problem comes in when a screen reader provides information that isn't typically visible on the page. For example, what if this were a graphical link? The user sees a picture but the author labeled the image specifically for accessibility. A sighted user would never get this description, only the image itself. With Window-Eyes 9, that is what you also get. Another example is what if the link is showing whatever but they use ARIA to mark up what a screen reader (any accessibility aid for that matter) should be using? Again, IE wouldn't render this ARIA text but it is the accessible text the web author gave. We can't select the text that IE doesn't report with the normal clipboard selection. This is partly why shift-arrow selection is so difficult now because we don't have our little pre-processed static buffer anymore like the outdated 8.4 technique. We can't stay in sync with what you are selecting and what IE can really render. NVDA gets away with this better (although still not perfect) by not allowing you to select formatting or images...they are basically doing the old WE 8.4 technique. Bottom line, to make this manageable, when you select anything from a link, we force the entire link. This is why if you are on a link and you just hit f8 twice followed by enter for copy you get the entire link. At some point we may implement a feature that if the beginning and end of the selection using f8 is done on the same line then we just copy the text as we provide even though IE wouldn't ever render this to a sighted user. In most cases I'm seeing people do what you are doing, select a few words from the current line and not spanning lines. I think we could do this correctly but it still wouldn't allow you to select from the middle of a link down and include the next line as one example. Well, not without getting the entire link from the first line. Remember, a sighted user often can't even get to the text that a screen reader speaks...and even in the youtube example, a sighted user also can't just clip the name from the link text, it just won't let me. It just depends on how the page was done. So you may not like how it handles this but it is now 100 percent accurate. You can of course fine tune what you want after pasting. I hope this helps. Doug On 2/6/2015 8:21 AM, Jim Ruby wrote: > If you only want to copy part of a url the f8 command still will copy the > entire thing. > > Outlook 2007 > We 9.0 > Win 7 x 64 > > url example is http://test.com/indexjunk.htm > 1 go to beginning to url > 2 f8 > 3 right arrow to say the end of the base url http://test.com/ > 4 f8 > 5 copy > > Go paste it and you get > http://Test.com/indexjunk.htm > > still added stuff that you did not want. > > If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. > > GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. > > > > If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
