Hi David,

Next on my list, I was going to ask you (and others) to describe to me how I
need to modify a U.S. style of street address so that I could accommodate
European style addresses?  What fields do I need to have?  This should,
along with allowing for metric system units, at least be relatively easy to
do to allow English-speaking non-U.S. people to try it out.

Making that last step to translate all the messages to other languages will
I'm afraid be last on the list, after all the features and messages are
pretty much set in stone, because you know David how much work that's going
to be.  Luckily Google does provide all their information in almost any
language, and will make the decision for you automatically (if you wish)
based on the areas of the world you are getting information for.

Thanks.

Chip


-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:03 PM
To: Katherine Moss; Chip Orange; [email protected]
Subject: Re: seeking help in designing and testing a location-based app

First of all, let's keep in mind, that not all people have a GPS of the 
accessible kind, or a cellphone with such capabilities. My guess is,, that 
for these, Chip is trying to make a solution that will cover a "market". And

his idea is really good. Unfortunately, at the moment the app only accepts 
addresses in the USA, so I haven't given it a try myself, as of yet.

True enough, very few people would find it of interest to carry around a 
whole computer, just to get walking directions. Specially so, did they not 
have a car, and have to walk around, carrying five grocery-bags, handling a 
cane or guidedog, trying to figure why we don't have as many arms as do the 
octapus. :) You will not be able to operate a computer on the go, if for no 
other reasons, at least due to weather conditions. Try bringing out your 
laptop, in the middle of a heavily traficated road, and when the wind blows 
20 miles an hour, along with a pouring rain. Then see, how much longer you 
are the lucky owner of a laptop. Smile. As such, the solution Chip is 
creating, is of little interest. And there does exist solutions out there, 
that are far better alternatives for this, although they are also far more 
expensive.

On the other hand, I really like the idea of Chip's. For those who cannot 
afford one of the accessible solutions, and still wants to peek around in 
their immediate surroundings. You likely bring your computer, when you are 
going to a conference. And there you are, sitting in the hotelroom in the 
evening, wondering where you could best get yourself an ice cream.

Or, you are at home, wondering how complicated it would be, to go a given 
place in the other end of your city. Yes, you could pick up the phone, and 
ask your friend to take you there. Yet, if now it is quite complicated to 
get there, it might take half an hour, and your friend thought he would just

pop by and give you ten minutes of help. Maybe you did not even know, what 
stores would be in your nearby location.

Or, like me, you are planning to move to another city. You don't know 
anything about the city. But you know, you will need public transportation 
quite frequently, and you definitely want to pick up some groceries once a 
week. By the help of Chip's app, you can enter the address of your potential

new apartment, and immediately get an idea of what is around there. Others 
could glance at the map, but you will never get that chance. Yet here, you 
have your chance, without spending a cent. After looking at the results, you

deicde, this apartment is in the category "too complicated for me", and call

the land-lord telling him. Or, you realize, it is only half ablock away from

your friend's place, and has a shopping mall just next to you. True, if you 
had called the land-lord, he would gladly have informed you of the mall 
being next-door. But that would not really have given you too much of info, 
would it. After all, a mall can be anything from a handful small stores, 
selling cloths for kids, and offering you a movie rental  place. Or it could

be,  the biggest mall in 150 miles distance, offering yu everything you 
want, by far. With the help of the app Chip here is developing, you can 
perform all this browsing, without even going there.

Or, what if you are planning to go for a vacation trip - this yera, all on 
your own. Your friends learn where you want to go, and they keep telling you

all that you need see and do, when you come to this and that place. You tell

them, that it might be fun to go this museum, visit that tourist attraction,

try out the local restaurant and so forth. Only thing is, you don't know if 
you can make it, walking there. Have you ever tried this? And did your 
friends tell you: "Oh, that is really no problem. It is just round the 
corner, or it is right across the street." Coming there, you realize that to

get to the corner they talked about, you have to walk 2.5 miles. And the 
restaurant sure is right across the street, but the street shows up to be 
the very trans-country highway, with a warning sign, clearly stating "no 
pedestriants". Your friends tell you things, the way a sighted person acts, 
or the way they manage from behind the wheel of their car. But none of that 
will help you much. Using the "Walking directions" from Chip's app, you can 
well plan your vacation trip, even long time in advance. You can even 
decide, in which hotel you want to stay, since you can find the hotel that 
has the better amount of facilities for shopping, eating and transportation 
nearby. Here again, you would let the term "nearby", mean easily accessed 
from a pedestriant's viewpoint. And you could even determine if you want to 
go for a bit of a walk to get there, or if you only want hotels with 
everything within three hundred yards distance.

True, if you are the lucky owner of an accessible GPS solution, or have a 
GPS and Cellphone solution, none of this is new to you. Likely, you are 
already doing all of this. Yet, for many a user, this is no real 
alternative. Hence, Chip has kindly an idea that will help those of us, who 
did not find the money for investing in an expensive solution. Yep, we could

go to Google's wesite, pulling out all these instructions manually. Though I

have never tried, my guess is, it is not really all that easy. The little I 
have operated Google, I have a feeling they are complicated, and pretty 
visual in their presentation on the web. Yet here, Chip has constructed a 
totally accessible interface, for getting hold of your instructions.

Though I have a few suggestions for Chip to consider, in the further 
development of the app, I clearly see it could be useful in numerous of my 
personal activities, along with a number of cases for other users. Since he 
clearly states, that the app does not work outside the USA at the moment, I 
just did not give it all a try, at this point. So most of my suggestions, 
will have to be left alone, until I can try it out locally. One suggestion 
would still be, to have let the user make a set of sound files, each holding

their individual direction. You then could drop it all, onto your portable 
mp3-player, and get the instructions read out to you, right from the depth 
of your pocket. I will get in touch with Chip directly, and labor a bit more

on this, and other suggestions. :)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katherine Moss" <[email protected]>
To: "Chip Orange" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: seeking help in designing and testing a location-based app


I'm just trying to figure out where it would be of interest since most 
people don't have their laptops out in the car, or at least I don't usually 
since my phone can do the same thing.  But I'm willing to help test it if 
you would like.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: seeking help in designing and testing a location-based app

Hi all,



I've started to develop an app which is location-based.  It makes it easy to

get directions from Google maps (including mass transit trips), finding 
businesses and other establishment near to something, (by name or by 
keyword), and keeping your own database of important points.  It also 
optionally interfaces with a GPS receiver, and should remind you of items as

you come near to them (location-based reminders instead of date/time ones).



I'm not sure what features should be in this app, and so rather than looking

for beta testers, I'm looking for folks who wish to test out the app as it 
is at the moment, and could help me envision what features are needed; and 
given what it does do, how could it do those things better?  This is 
especially important to me as I don't have a lot of time to work on it, and 
so would like to come close to what's useful to everyone right from the 
start.



Below is the little descriptive bit I've written for the help at the moment:



Beta Software!



This app is very very beta; it's being distributed to ask the 
opinions/suggestions of others as to how it might be designed better, what 
features would be most useful if included, etc.  It's not at the stage where

I'm concerned about flushing out every little bug (yet).





This app requires the shared object app named "GPS" to be installed.  If it
isn't present the app will offer to download and install it for you.    You
should allow this to happen. The GPS app can interface with a GPS receiver, 
but one is not required.  The GPS app however is still needed even if you do

not have a GPS receiver connected, as it provides support location-based 
programming.



This app will eventually allow you to create and edit two databases: one of 
points of interest (using GPS coordinates), and the other of reminders 
related to specific points in your points of interest database.





Add points to the app's points of interest database (either from your 
current GPS location or from an address), and then you can add reminders to 
the app's reminders database which are linked to the points.



One of the expected features of this app will be if you have a connected GPS

receiver, when you come within the specified range of a point which has a 
reminder, the app will take the specified action (play a sound, speak a 
message, etc.).



(this functionality is not currently working in this beta).







This app also gives you access to some of the Google+, Google Places, and 
Google Maps  features such as showing you near-by places to a location, 
showing you places based on searching criteria, and access to Google Maps 
directions for driving, walking, or using mass transit  to get from one 
location to another.  The locations can be addresses you enter or points in 
your POI database, or some location near-by to one of these.

The "Get Directions" feature of this app is the one which is likely to 
function the best at the moment.  It does require an internet connection to 
use.. This functionality is available via the menu items of the Apps menu 
for this app.



Some of the other app features do require that the app knows your current 
location; if you aren't using a GPS receiver, then right now you need to be 
running Windows 7 or later and  you need to go into the control panel and 
enter your current address (via the "Location and Other Sensors" choice; and
then choose "default location").    I'll add a way to store your default
address in the app's .ini soon.





If you are using XP, you can still experience some of the functionality; you

can add a point, and when its address is fully specified in the dialog, you 
can make use of a command-button in the dialog to see "near-by places", but 
you will not be able to use the "Search near-by" app menu choice.





If you'd like to hear me demo it as it is, you can download an mp3 demo from

the link below:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11745142/rmw.mp3



If after hearing this you'd like to try it out and help with suggestions for

design, you can download the app from:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11745142/Remind_Me_Where.wepm



It's all open source and contains many examples of interacting with web 
sites using XML, and keeping data in large access databases, as well as 
utilizing GPS coordinates for any developer who'd like such examples.





Please let me know if you try it, and what you think as to what it needs 
(even if what you think is that it's not for you after all).



Thanks.



Chip



[email protected]








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