If you are trying to find an inspirational source for the coca-cola Santa's costume, research frontier clothing and explorer's garb a la Lewis and Clark. Keep in mind however, that the coca-cola Santa's costume is likely to be at least partly due to artistic inspiration and invention. As to Sinter Claaus being dressed in red and white...the local Dutch community has a Sinter Claaus parade every year, with him dressed as I described. Perhaps this is a more modern version, but he has been the same for many years. ?? Annette M ---------- Sinterklaas is also dressed in red and white. Maby they looked at medieval clothes to make him look old, like he lives forever. And added white fur since he comes from the north?pole.
Kahlara wrote: >I don't know how accurate this is, but I had always >been told that prior to the Moore/Nast (American) idea >of St. Nick's appearance, that many countries/ethnic >groups had their own version of St. Nicholas or some >similar personality (Baba Yaga in Russia?) and each >had their own costume based on how they were portrayed >in the stories. If I remember correctly, Sinter Claaus >wears a bishop's costume, complete with mitre and >staff and rides a white horse. > >Annette M > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:09:22 -0400 From: "Lloyd Mitchell" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 603 This is plainly 20thC American, from my point of view. As someone has already pointed out, the vision of Santa differs from culture to culture. The Nast version is the first that I am aware of, which is influenced by the description given in the "Night Before Christmas"(as it is now known) Are you aware of the Dover issue that presents a collection of Santas and farther Christmas? This source might be a starting point in creating the view of Santa you are looking for. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 603 > Thanks for your responses. I think we're getting somewhere, but let me rephrase my question. What I'm really wondering is, if I wanted to make a costume like this one: http://www.adclassix.com/images54cokesanta.jpg > and call it historical, where would I go to document it? Who would have worn something like that in real life? Victorian isn't my period, but I don't recall ever seeing anybody dress like that in my brief studies of that century. Is it a Victorian or 20th Century confabulation of some earlier period? Or is it some kind of 19th Century Dutch costume? Does anyone have any pictures of a real person wearing a similar costume, maybe in some other color or without the fur trim? Nast seems to have dressed him in clothes derived from his own period, though possibly a little fantasized, but did the Coca-Cola artist make up the traditional costume or did he derive it from earlier drawings? > > Tea Rose > > P.S. I think I'll go look up that WonderWorker book; thanks for the reference. I know there are all kinds of Santas these days, which is why I don't feel compelled to do the traditional suit, but I'm curious about where the traditional suit came from. > > ============================== > From: "Abel, Cynthia" > > I don't think all of Nast's Santa's wore a red > outfit, but just about all the images I recall usually show him in a > practical winter weather two-piece fur-trimmed suit, suited for a jolly > old elf" and a stocking cap. > > If I remember correctly, this Claus was derived more from the slightly Protestanized Dutch Sinter Claaus, than St. Nicholas. > > A great big very well-fed guy in a cheery and > confident color red with grandfatherly white beard and whiskers was just > the visual ticket to lift the economically stressed consumer. > > Amazon.com has Wonderworker: the history of Santa Claus, > which has a pic of one of Thomas Nast's Santa's on the cover--with a > very present-day politically incorrect pipe between his lips! > > From: Dawn > > http://www.dovercards.com/_images/0486236609_46_Thomas%2520Nast_Santa%2520at%2520Chimney.jpg > > This is a Nast Santa, and it looks like he's in longjohns. > > http://www.sonofthesouth.net/Thomas_Nast/Original_Santa_Claus.jpg > > Another Nast Santa, from 1865, he's in striped pants, a fur lined jacket > with stars on it, and some kind of cap, but it still doesn't look like > 1865 fashion. The image is heavily political, the stars and stripes are > obviously iconic. > > http://www.adclassix.com/images54cokesanta.jpg > > This is a Coca-Cola Santa from 1954... and you're right. What the heck > is the suit supposed to be? It's not a 1954 men's fashion, is it? > > And why red? > > Dawn > > From: "Kate Pinner" > > 1822 -- Clement Moore -- "A Visit From Saint Nicholas". > This supposedly gave us the first picture of how he was dressed (a picture > in words). The newspaper/magazine artists took it from there. Before that, > I don't think there was a clear image of him that someone could identify > immediately by some specific article of clothing...at least in the US. > Kate > _______________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
