Hi Kimiko and Bjarne, I am very familiar with this linen, I am betting my boots this is the same supplier I use.
2.8 oz is about as fine as you are going to get it. I have bolts of both the Czech linen (which is what this Draper is selling) and the Belgian, which is much wider but also *much* finer quality. This largely competes with the Italian, but better priced. (Belgian is running at about $36.00 CAD cost, Italian is about $100.00 per yard at COST- eek!) Kammerdug, I understand translates to lawm or lawn, which I believe is a shade heavier than cambric. The yardage that Kimiko showed is lighter yet than Kammerdug. Doing a little looking around, lawm tends to be placed into a similar category as organdy. You will find Batiste and voile in this family of weaves as well. Between the two (Czech and Belgian) Czech is good, but as you mentioned, crisper. By comparison, the flaws are a little more noticable as well. There is some slubbiness to it. The Belgian doesn't have a slub larger than a pin head in the entire yardage. The Belgian is also qualified as "museum quality" and restoration shops use it for their work. (I found this out because my first order from the supplier was erroneously redirected to one of them!) Something else I have found out in my pursuit of the perfect linen: the price. YIKES! It's shot up! I was told the reason for this was because the flax seed and oil industry is more lucrative than the linen textile, and because they cannot harvest both the stalk and the seed and reap the income from both, many farmers have opted to follow their pocket books and not let the stalks mature into useable plants for the textile industry. This of course creates a supply and demand problem, quickly filtering down to the end user. I can get this linen for you, I have a wholesale account. I just need to gather orders because I just can't keep this stuff in stock and they require a minimum purchase. But, if you want to keep some in stock for yourself, this is definitely the way to go. I may in time start stocking it, but I have to get some income rolling in another easier to sell department - I have a wholesale account for Eterna Silks as well. I will be selling their stranded silk flosses, other lines as the demand sees fit. Kathy <snip> We are searching for that elusive fine linen. However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35” wide, $14.50/yd. <snip> I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that this no longer is made. I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. <snip> Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 ----- Original Message ---- From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:59:10 AM Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 744 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: kyoto stays again ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2. WildThang2005 has invited you to FREE 3D avatar chat on IMVU (WildThang2005) 3. Re: Holbein exhibit (Dawn) 4. Re: a question about museums (Bjarne og Leif Drews) 5. kammerdug/linnen (Bjarne og Leif Drews) 6. RE: a question about museums (Wanda Pease) 7. Re: Holbein exhibit (Suzi Clarke) 8. RE: Holbein exhibit (Anne Moeller) 9. Re: kammerdug/linnen (Kimiko Small) 10. Re: kammerdug/linnen (Sue Clemenger) 11. RE: Holbein exhibit/London shows (Suzi Clarke) 12. Re: kammerdug/linnen (Tania Gruning) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:56:55 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] kyoto stays again To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 11/25/2006 8:43:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First off, yup, I agree with you, they are a bit too big around the bust. I think you could take them in along the side front curve and that would work nicely. It may also push her breasts together a bit, giving her more cleavage. I have a question though...Is she wearing them with a bra in that photo? If she is, it will throw off your fitting entirely. She should have a chemise to wear underneath, that's all, then the stays can do their own work. This may also be why she believes they fit her. ********************************************* Greetings....I hope everyone had a great holiday....those who had holidays....hell, and those who didn't! Beautiful stays, of course, Bjarne. I would take in the bust area in bits at several places, At the side AND the CF....and even somewhere in-between if possible, but that would require re-cutting the whole front after altering the pattern. And the decolletage may need to be lowered an inch or so. And a fitting sans bra may release and free her bust to fill the front of the corset more. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:22:49 -0800 From: "WildThang2005" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [h-cost] WildThang2005 has invited you to FREE 3D avatar chat on IMVU To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" WildThang2005 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has sent you this invitation to chat in 3D. Hi, I just downloaded IMVU 3D messenger, the cool new instant messaging software with 3D animated avatars. Let's try it out together. Basic membership is free, and it takes about a minute to create your own custom 3D avatar. IMVU is a FREE 3D instant messaging software download. It's an easy way to chat with friends and meet new people. Build a customized, animated 3D identity from over 200,000 user created options. Decorate your Avatar home page with stickers and powerful editing tools. 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If you want to prevent any future e-mail from IMVU, you can remove yourself from by pointing your web browser to http://www.imvu.com/catalog/web_nonregisteredoptout.php?code=33c1d5&[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your opt-out confirmation code is 33c1d5 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:47:54 -0600 From: Dawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Kimiko Small wrote: > Thank you Janet for sharing this. > > I see that there is a book on the collection, Holbein in England. Has > anyone here seen the book, and is it worth getting for those rarely seen > images, like the ones that for copyright restriction is not on the website? > I saw the exhibit this weekend, and got this book. I agree with Suzi, it has excellent images, many full-page and very clearly reproduced. It has all the images (I think) and yes, there are a bunch of sketches and some portraits not usually reproduced in other books. There's also a good selection of non-portrait works, designs for jewelry and covered cups and such. > And looking at Amazon.com, I see the author, Susan Foister, has another > book that is thicker > Holbein and England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies) > Does anyone know of any details on this book? It's like the catalogue, but I believe it covers all of Holbein, not just his years in England. It's at least two inches thick. I thought about getting it, but it was expensive and I thought it might put me over my luggage weight limit (no kidding!). Dawn ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:58:07 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] a question about museums To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi, Yes you are right, i went to the museums website and they do have a photographer there, but i would have to pay him, and that would be expensive. Perhaps i could travel to Gotland for the same money. I got the feeling that the museum would not mind me photographing the stays. These stays are some of the most beautifull i have seen, very plain, but beautifull craftmanship. Grey linnen with blue tiny tapes at the seams. And besides this is very unusual dated from 1760-80 because it has a boatshaped neckline, with tied shoulderstraps off the shoulders. I have ben thinking i would send Ian the staymaker a copy of the photo from the book, because it is so beautifull. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Pinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Historical Costume'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] a question about museums >A lot of times it's pricey because they don't have a professional > photographer on staff and to have one come in and do a set-up just for > one object costs them a lot. > > Kate > 609-570-3584 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:19 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [h-cost] a question about museums > > Museums are kinda weird this way. The Phoenix Art Museum for instance > has > no photograph what so ever of the portrait of the dress I am > recreating......you'd think they'd photograph everything just for > insurance > purposes. > > I'd contact the museum. Often, they will photograph the article if you > are > willing to pay for it. It can be pricey. The Norton Simon Museum > offered > to do this for me on a particular portrait. They wanted $100 6 years > ago. > > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:59:21 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi, I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that this no longer is made. I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. Blast! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:17:47 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [h-cost] a question about museums To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Goodness Gracious but I seem to be putting out a lot of grumpy posts lately. Museums and many "collections" make the money to allow them to be open at all from public donations, a tax stipend, or ticket sales. All of these come out of the public pocket. Those who will not allow a member of that public to take their own pictures without paying the high prices of a "professional" strike me as a bit "dog in the manger" types (sorry Bjarne, it's one of the Aesop tales - I'm sure it's familiar to you with different wording). When I took pictures in the Museum of Munich of the various garments on display the only thing that they required is that I not utilize a tripod or a flash. The guard in each room asked me to demonstrate that I had the flash "off" before I could take pictures in his room. That way the pieces were not being exposed to any more light than they ever were. I had two cameras with me. One was a regular Pentax camera with 1600 ASA film, but no flash attachment (he seemed to be a bit puzzled by that, I'm not sure he'd seen a film camera before) and a 5Megabyte Sony (?). I knew how to turn the flash on and off, something that too many idiot tourists didn't, or couldn't see why THEY should be restricted by such rules. Something I doubt that any on this list would give them a hassle about. My non flash pictures with the film camera came out better than I could actually see the items, which were kept in fairly dim rooms. I know that someone is going to point out that the money the museum earns from photographic reprints is a large part of their budget. This is all very well, but the pictures and other works of art and history are not THEIRS. They are caring for them for the people. Well, I'm one of the people too! If it weren't for me and people like me the items would be used to cover cabbages to keep them from frost. Civil Servant (I'm One) does not equate to Civil Master. The things in museums are financed with your money! Therefore it is not unreasonable for you to be allowed to photograph an item very carefully so that possibly hundreds of people could share your information and not just the few that manage to come through "their museum" every year! On the other hand I have been able to make arrangements with museums and libraries in Germany and England and have them fall all over themselves to help me get exactly what I wanted and allowed me to distribute as many copies as I wanted (free, of course) as long as I mentioned them, and gave their address. Wanda > > Hi, > Yes you are right, i went to the museums website and they do have a > photographer there, but i would have to pay him, and that would be > expensive. Perhaps i could travel to Gotland for the same money. > I got the > feeling that the museum would not mind me photographing the stays. > These stays are some of the most beautifull i have seen, very plain, but > beautifull craftmanship. Grey linnen with blue tiny tapes at the > seams. And > besides this is very unusual dated from 1760-80 because it has a > boatshaped > neckline, with tied shoulderstraps off the shoulders. > I have ben thinking i would send Ian the staymaker a copy of the > photo from > the book, because it is so beautifull. > > Bjarne > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:18:00 +0000 From: Suzi Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 23:47 27/11/2006, you wrote: >Kimiko Small wrote: >>Thank you Janet for sharing this. >> I see that there is a book on the collection, Holbein in >> England. Has anyone here seen the book, and is it worth getting >> for those rarely seen images, like the ones that for copyright >> restriction is not on the website? >> > >I saw the exhibit this weekend, and got this book. I agree with >Suzi, it has excellent images, many full-page and very clearly >reproduced. It has all the images (I think) and yes, there are a >bunch of sketches and some portraits not usually reproduced in other >books. There's also a good selection of non-portrait works, designs >for jewelry and covered cups and such. > >> And looking at Amazon.com, I see the author, Susan Foister, has >> another book that is thicker >> Holbein and England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies) >> Does anyone know of any details on this book? > >It's like the catalogue, but I believe it covers all of Holbein, not >just his years in England. It's at least two inches thick. I thought >about getting it, but it was expensive and I thought it might put me >over my luggage weight limit (no kidding!). Glad you got to see the exhibit. Did you take as long as us, or were you able to drag yourself away? I just love those drawings - so much detail, and so much more "real" than the oil paintings. Suzi ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:26:59 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit To: "'Historical Costume'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" WAAAAAH!!!!! I didn't get to go:( Is the book on the collection really good? Anne -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:18 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit At 23:47 27/11/2006, you wrote: >Kimiko Small wrote: >>Thank you Janet for sharing this. >> I see that there is a book on the collection, Holbein in >> England. Has anyone here seen the book, and is it worth getting >> for those rarely seen images, like the ones that for copyright >> restriction is not on the website? >> > >I saw the exhibit this weekend, and got this book. I agree with >Suzi, it has excellent images, many full-page and very clearly >reproduced. It has all the images (I think) and yes, there are a >bunch of sketches and some portraits not usually reproduced in other >books. There's also a good selection of non-portrait works, designs >for jewelry and covered cups and such. > >> And looking at Amazon.com, I see the author, Susan Foister, has >> another book that is thicker >> Holbein and England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies) >> Does anyone know of any details on this book? > >It's like the catalogue, but I believe it covers all of Holbein, not >just his years in England. It's at least two inches thick. I thought >about getting it, but it was expensive and I thought it might put me >over my luggage weight limit (no kidding!). Glad you got to see the exhibit. Did you take as long as us, or were you able to drag yourself away? I just love those drawings - so much detail, and so much more "real" than the oil paintings. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:50:52 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Bjarne, I have been chatting with others on a different list on fine linen recently, so your news is rather sad to hear. We are searching for that elusive fine linen. However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35” wide, $14.50/yd. WLG 112 Please specify white (below) or off-white He claims it "is some of the finest commercially produced today. At 55 threads to the inch it is also tightly woven." (~ 22 threads per cm, if my math is right.) He also calls it cambric. I don't know how fine your kammerdug was, but does this come close? He does send swatches upon request, as he just sent me 4 of different types of fine linen. The linen to my hand is a bit crisp, and not as soft as other handkerchief weights I have samples of, but it feels smooth. However, I am no expert on linens, so I don't know how fine they can get. I am still learning. It may be worth a look for you. Kimiko Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that this no longer is made. I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. Blast! Bjarne --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:27:34 -0700 From: "Sue Clemenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have the remnants (carefully hoarded) of two bolts of a cotton/linen blend that has a thread count of roughly 60/inch. Better, it's evenweave, same count in both directions. It is, too date (after almost 20 years in the SCA) the finest linen or linen approximation I have personally seen for sale. *sigh* --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen > Hi Bjarne, > > I have been chatting with others on a different list on fine linen recently, so your news is rather sad to hear. We are searching for that elusive fine linen. > > However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. > http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm > 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35" wide, $14.50/yd. > WLG 112 Please specify white (below) or off-white > > He claims it "is some of the finest commercially produced today. At 55 threads to the inch it is also tightly woven." (~ 22 threads per cm, if my math is right.) He also calls it cambric. I don't know how fine your kammerdug was, but does this come close? He does send swatches upon request, as he just sent me 4 of different types of fine linen. > > The linen to my hand is a bit crisp, and not as soft as other handkerchief weights I have samples of, but it feels smooth. However, I am no expert on linens, so I don't know how fine they can get. I am still learning. > > It may be worth a look for you. > > Kimiko > > > Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. > I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very > fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that > this no longer is made. > I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown > with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. > The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, > but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. > Blast! > > Bjarne > > > > --------------------------------- > Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:38:34 +0000 From: Suzi Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit/London shows To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:26 28/11/2006, you wrote: >WAAAAAH!!!!! I didn't get to go:( > >Is the book on the collection really good? It's terrific - do you want me to get you one? I got you postcards! The book was a bit heavy to carry with me through the Velasquez exhibition we did on the same day, especially as I had one for me! You will know a lot of the pictures, but there are some that are not readily available on the Internet. If anyone is coming to London in the next few months there are several new exhibitions due - one I am particularly looking forward to is "Canaletto in England" (I think) at the Dulwich Picture Gallery. I can check the others if anyone is interested. Suzi ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:57:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Bjarne. Why don't you talk to the nice woman who used to run Broderi Antik in Copenhagen. She had the most amazing "kammerdug" of which I had a meter. Still do. Afraid ot even look at it. She might be able to help you. Her email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tania Kimiko Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Bjarne, I have been chatting with others on a different list on fine linen recently, so your news is rather sad to hear. We are searching for that elusive fine linen. However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35” wide, $14.50/yd. WLG 112 Please specify white (below) or off-white He claims it "is some of the finest commercially produced today. At 55 threads to the inch it is also tightly woven." (~ 22 threads per cm, if my math is right.) He also calls it cambric. I don't know how fine your kammerdug was, but does this come close? He does send swatches upon request, as he just sent me 4 of different types of fine linen. The linen to my hand is a bit crisp, and not as soft as other handkerchief weights I have samples of, but it feels smooth. However, I am no expert on linens, so I don't know how fine they can get. I am still learning. It may be worth a look for you. Kimiko Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that this no longer is made. I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. Blast! Bjarne --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? 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