How do you determine that the person holding the sword and crown is a woman? My scan of the crowd seems to show all men, and holding a sword would definitely be a man's job. The gown worn is pretty much the same as the black man in pink directly to his right.
And as mentioned before, the man in yellow sitting in the corner is definitely Joseph. For one, he has no brocaded trim on his gown. Not sure if yellow is significant (probably!) And I still think the red-gowned person is the third Magi, as 1) that is where the crown is and 2) this person is holding one of the three gifts. Yellow gowned Joseph is not. Where is Robin to tell us all how far off we are??? :-) ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:03 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] saint/iconography question > > > Ah - the third crown is behind the back of the standing guy. > > Yes, held by a woman (?) who is also holding a sword. > > My guess is that the Magi are the three bearded men with > halos. The one with the blue headwrap seems to be wearing a > high-waisted gown and seems to have breasts. No cloak like > the three (definite) men are wearing. > > Notice also the woman holding the sword and crown also > has blue gloves, as does the guy with the pointy beard and > blue turban & wrap. > > At first I thought Magi in green held a sword, but it > looks more like the lining of his cloak. > > Interesting painting! > > -Carol > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:58 PM > >> To: Historical Costume > >> Subject: [h-cost] saint/iconography question > >> > >> We've been looking at this painting > >> http://www.wga.hu/art/l/lorenzo/monaco/ador_mag.jpg > >> Billed as "Adoration of the Magi" by Lorenzo Monaco ca. 1422 > >> > >> Are those really the Magi? (The folks with the halos). > To my *very* > >> untrained eye, they remind me more of saints than Magi. The > >> individual in the peach/orange with the blue head-wrap reminds me > >> more of The Magdalene rather than one of the Magi. > >> > >> I'm not that good with early 15th c. art or saints > iconography -- and > >> I know that there are folks on this list that are more > knowledgeable > >> than I. Half my brain tells me that I should just take > the painting > >> title at face value and go with it, but those 3 individuals aren't > >> like any other representations of Magi that I've seen. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Susan > >> ----- > >> Susan Farmer > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College > >> Division of Science and Math > >> http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
