HI Suzi, May I butt in ? I havae been going crazy seeking info on the Austro-Hungarian Empire dress for people of middle and noble class, for the early and later Elizabethan era. If you do find that reference book ,could you PLEASE post the title & author for me? I'd really like to portray a part of my heritage at our Faires by dressing as a noble Hungarian lady. I just do a generic lower noble English lady and I'd like a change. Melody
--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Suzi Clarke <s...@suziclarke.co.uk> wrote: From: Suzi Clarke <s...@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stitching on ruffs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] To: "Historical Costume" <h-cost...@indra.com> Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 12:24 AM At 00:29 14/04/2009, you wrote: >Until recently I had thought that the figure-of-eight ruffs were never >stitched to hold the shape, but last week I found a portrait in a >current Sotherby's catalogue for a sale of Old Master and early British >paintings. >This is the link to the catalogue: >http://www.sothebys.com/app/paddleReg/paddlereg.do?dispatch=eventDetails >&event_id=29138 > >and the particular painting is: >http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159527660 > >The ruff is formed with a lattice effect, intersecting 4 times, and >there is a pearl at every intersection, with a group of 3 pearls at the >top and bottom edge. I think the pearls are stitched on, rather than >representing pin-heads, especially given the groups of pearls at top and >bottom. It would be a nightmare to reset after washing. > >I have never seen anything similar - has anyone else? >Suzi, is this similar to the one you referred to. > >Needless to say I have downloaded it for future reference. > >Annette Wilson At the moment that particular book is AWOL in the mess that is my workroom, but the idea was similar as far as I can remember. The book is about costume in, I think, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which was heavily influenced by Spanish fashions. I'll have another look later - I'm away today. Suzi >------------------------------------------------- >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:39:41 +0200 >From: Hanna Zickermann <h.zickerm...@gmx.de> >Subject: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs >To: Historical Costume <h-cost...@indra.com> >Message-ID: <200904091839.n39iduov018...@net.indra.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Hello, > >has anyone ever seen a ruff that really had the stitching along the >outer edge to keep the "8"s in shape? "Period Costume for Stage and >Screen" even suggests embellishing the ruff with beads on top of these >stitches, but I feel they are just a theatrical neccessity as the ruffs >are not properly starched and must keep their shapes in nylon material. >Or is there evidence that these stitches would have been used as a >decorative feature as well and that they are documentable? > >Thank you, >Hanna > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:55:26 +0100 >From: Suzi Clarke <s...@suziclarke.co.uk> >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs >To: Historical Costume <h-cost...@indra.com> >Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090409195249.03cb2...@suziclarke.co.uk> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >At 19:39 09/04/2009, you wrote: > >Hello, > > > >has anyone ever seen a ruff that really had the stitching along the > >outer edge to keep the "8"s in shape? "Period Costume for Stage and > >Screen" even suggests embellishing the ruff with beads on top of these > >stitches, but I feel they are just a theatrical neccessity as the ruffs > > >are not properly starched and must keep their shapes in nylon material. > >Or is there evidence that these stitches would have been used as a > >decorative feature as well and that they are documentable? > >I have seen pictures of ruffs where the "8"s are apparently held >together, probably with wax (see Janet Arnold). I am sure I also have a >photo of a ruff held with red beads - I'll have to go and look for that >though - my library is not next to the computer! > >Suzi > > > > > >------ >If you have received this transmission in error please notify us >immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail >or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does >not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright >in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. > > > >Please consider the environment before printing this email. > >------ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
