I was going to make a caul, but was looking for something different to go over/with it, hence the decorated roll/billiment/whatever. I had a hat before, but found that it gets really hot, so was hoping to find something "less". Sharon
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:01 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress Just to make sure I understand this, there is a difference between coif and caul, isn't there? I've always thought the coif was the embroider (or not) little hat item that covers the top, side and back of the head, basically a shaped folded piece of cloth. A caul was more of a cap worn on the back of the head, covering the hair that was put back in a bun/braid. It would be highly decorated with beads, jewels and embroidery. there may or may not be a veil pinned to the caul as well. alex On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Sharon Collier <[email protected]> wrote: > If not a coif/caul, what? I don't want something to cover the ears. > Did french hoods sit back farther on the head later in the century? I > keep seeing pictures with what appears to be a jeweled or fancy fabric "headband" > type of thing, but don't know how to make it. And have no idea what > the back of such an item would look like. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Melanie Schuessler > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:11 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress > > While I agree with Laura on how coifs were probably worn, there is > some debate about who would have worn them and under what > circumstances. In the 1570s, coifs were probably worn in public > mostly by the middle and lower classes, not by the upper and noble > classes. The very fancy ones that survive were probably home/ > sleepwear. The only exception I can think of off-hand is Theophilia, > wife of the 3rd Earl of Worcester (1567): > http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/Theophila.jpg > Please note that she's also wearing a forehead cloth. > > If you're doing an upper or noble class outfit, there is this one > piece of evidence for coif-wearing, but you might be better served > with a more formal type of headwear. > > Melanie Schuessler > > > On May 27, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Susan Farmer wrote: > >> On May 27, 2009, at 2:59 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you. Very interesting. Looks like what I want is a caul with >>>> a decorated billiment. Does that sound like what they were wearing >>>> in 1570's? >> >> Have you looked here yet? >> >> http://www.extremecostuming.com/articles/howtowearthecoif.html >> http://www.extremecostuming.com/reproductions/vacoift281975.html >> >> I suspect that this is what you want. >> >> jerusha/ susan >> ----- >> Susan Farmer >> [email protected] >> Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College >> Division of Science and Math >> http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- So much to do and so little attention span to get it done with _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list [email protected] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list [email protected] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
