Hello Kimiko,
I have fortunately a lot of danish portraits to study but i think its nice
to read some written documents also. I have free hands to give some
suggestions, i think for the man suit i want to make the elizabethan white
and red gentleman from "Tudor tailor" wich i think is very elegant. For the
lady i am going to make a spanish farthingale, but how the dress is going to
be like, i am still thinking. I plan to make some water colloured fashion
drawings in my summer vacation, i am travelling to Madeira june 6th for 14
days.
I really am looking forwards to finally make some renaissance, its so nice
to try something new.
Thankyou very much for your help Kimiko...........
Bjarne
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From: Kimiko Small
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:05 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] some questions about renaissance,
A kirtle is more the word for an underdress, with gown for the overdress.
Confusingly kirtle, when used as a half-kirtle, can also mean a petticoat or
underskirt without a body garment attached.
Wide and narrow as terms suggest to me that some garments may have been made
with some sort of farthingale (hoop skirt) (wide), or without some form of
hoop skirt. Do you have any images to work from, or is it simply written
documents?
As to the ruffs, using an organza would be the easier way to minimize work
later as it does have the spring needed - the neckband can still be in a
soft linen for comfort. I also know folks using a monofiliment fishing line
to the edges of a ruff to give that spring - in which case a nice light
linen works nicely. In the period they starched it, but from firsthand
experience I know that starch is a pain to keep up with, which
non-historical costumers may not want to deal with.
And welcome back Bjarne. :-)
Kimiko
On May 13, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote:
In some danish inventory lists, wich all are written in german ( it was
the language used then in Denmark) it is often mentioned with wide dresses
and narrow dresses.
My question is, could a narrow dress be the same as the english word “a
kirtle”
Its hopeless with danish study of danish renaissance costumes, because
nobody knows the danish terms for different costumes (costume parts) No
danish words for anything except the major things like ruffs, cuffs and
the like.
Another question i have for you is: wich fabric would you recomend to use
when i make ruffs and cuffs? They should be able to wash them often, and i
thoaght about maybe using a synthetic fabric wich will hold the shape, and
dont need to be ironed, or perhaps to use silk organza, as this also is
stiff and keeps the shape.
Any suggestions and any help would be greatfull apreciated.
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