I was wondering why Miss Botswana is wearing a Maori Pupu? I believe
genetically Maori are closer to Vietnam and Thailand than Africa - perhaps it
is a tribute to Rugby (World Cup competition is currently in NZ).
Miss Ireland looks like she was wearing recycled DVD's. This could be poking
fun at the economic state in Ireland at present, and the fact that the same old
styles get trotted out again and again - like a bad film. How many bird wings
and carnival skirts? At least she was original, pity it wasn't flattering.
I think they should re-name the section "Wearable Art with a passing referrence
to your homeland"
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I was wondering why there was no Miss India? Wondered if they had enough sense
to not send anyone to the competition, but I see that isn't the case.
I liked Greece, too, and agree that Miss Egypt looked like Liz Taylor as
Cleopatra.
And someone commented on non-feather wings--well, Miss USA has them with a
vengeance!
A non-list friend of mine said enough with the Carnivale look and all the birds
that gave their lives for those costumes.
Ann Wass
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From: otsisto <otsi...@socket.net>
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Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 3:23 am
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 "national" costumes
The costume was held up for a week and arrived after the National costume
ics (Sept 7) were done. So far I have not found the reason behind the
ustoms issue but it is believed that because of the lack of national
ostume pic. she lost points. To say the least, many folks in India are
icked and want to know why as well. Of coarse there is the rumor that
razil thought Miss India a threat and thus sabotaged her chance to at least
ake it into the 16.
De
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am wondering what Miss India had on her costume that couldn't clear
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Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 "national" costumes
The costume was held up for a week and arrived after the National costume
ics (Sept 7) were done. So far I have not found the reason behind the
ustoms issue but it is believed that because of the lack of national
ostume pic. she lost points. To say the least, many folks in India are
icked and want to know why as well. Of coarse there is the rumor that
razil thought Miss India a threat and thus sabotaged her chance to at least
ake it into the 16.
De
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:57:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company?
They've been around for awhile. I haven't bought from them, but my
impression is that they are not shooting for reenactor quality
reproductions or anything like that--more like sturdy Halloween or
live-action rolyplaying costume.
--
Cathy Raymond
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:18:27 -0500
Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company?
Papal. If they dont take papal and none of the other safe guard are in place
like a physical address , then no matter how cool it is i dont deal with them.
But my papal account is great leverage. I have 2x had and issue with two
different vendors i ordered from and both times just mentioning papal got it
resolved to my satisfaction * Bambi>>
>> Not that on-line only retailers are deliberately trying to dodge, but what
>> recourse does one have, really, if one sends money off into a void and
>> doesn't get anything back?
Ann Wass
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Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 3:40 am
Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company?
First time I heard of them but their 2521 Edwardian gown looks just like a
ig 3 costume pattern that showed up after the Titanic movie became a hit. I
ave the pattern somewhere.
fter looking more at the site, you seem to be right about the Hollywood
nspired. The Masquerade Ball Gown looks like something from a Streisand
ovie.
ed temptress gown is from Moulin Rouge.
o far, Moulin Rouge,
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:43:27 -0500
Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company?
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:18:27 CDT
"Bambi TBNL" <hippy_dippy_dan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Papal. If they dont take papal and
>none of the other safe guard are in
>place like a physical address , then
>no matter how cool it is i dont deal
>with them. But my papal account is
>great leverage. I have 2x had and
>issue with two different vendors i
>ordered from and both times just
>mentioning papal got it resolved to
>my satisfaction * Bambi>>
You and His Holiness must be on very good terms.
:-D
Denise
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 08:07:09 -0500
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 "national" costumes
> A non-list friend of mine said
>enough with the Carnivale look and
>all the birds that gave their lives
>for those costumes.
Most of the really outrageous feathers like peacock, ostrich and pheasant
(see Miss Trinidad & Tobago) are SHED and recovered, then washed/dyed and
sold to the trade. The birds live and produce another crop every year.
Many of the other feathers that are white or dyed are a by-product of the
meat produced (turkey, mostly), but some pheasant, goose and chicken as
well. The birds aren't killed for their feathers.
Denise
Iowa
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From: ckin...@kumc.edu
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 08:34:41 -0500
Subject: Re: [h-cost] a question about passementerie
My question is, what should I do, in future, to finish the ends of the
braid so that they do not unravel? This first construction used Elmer's
glue (it was what was to hand) and that is obviously the wrong answer if
one ever plans on washing the garment.
Many thanks,
Jen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Jen,
If I can't bury the end in a seam, or cover it with something, I've used
Fabri-tac and another craft glue (I think it was the pink label 'Aileen's'
glue) to seal the ends. I went for labels on glues in the t-shirt section of
the hobby store that said they were washable :). So far they seem to be
holding up. Hope that helps.
Catherine
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:39:11 -0500
Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company?
Lol!!!!! My only email access is through my not so smart phone. It edits my
spelling even if it has breasted not to....sorry!!!
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Date: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 8:43:51 am
To: "Historical Costume" <h-cost...@indra.com>
From: "Land of Oz" <lando...@netins.net>
Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Pattern Company?
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:18:27 CDT
"Bambi TBNL" <hippy_dippy_dan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Papal. If they dont take papal and
>none of the other safe guard are in
>place like a physical address , then
>no matter how cool it is i dont deal
>with them. But my papal account is
>great leverage. I have 2x had and
>issue with two different vendors i
>ordered from and both times just
>mentioning papal got it resolved to
>my satisfaction * Bambi>>
You and His Holiness must be on very good terms.
:-D
Denise
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:08:34 -0400
Subject: Re: [h-cost] a question about passementerie
I use gold cord and braid as I go. This way I can easily pul the ends to the
wrong side, like couching. I can also make it as wide or narrow as I want.
When I do use braid I glue the ends and begin and end at a seam if I can. If
not, I turn the ends under itself and sew them down.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Catherine Kinsey <ckin...@kumc.edu> wrote:
> My question is, what should I do, in future, to finish the ends of the
> braid so that they do not unravel? This first construction used Elmer's
> glue (it was what was to hand) and that is obviously the wrong answer if
> one ever plans on washing the garment.
>
> --
*Maistresse Aspasia *
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From: katybisho...@gmail.com
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:48:30 -0400
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 "national" costumes
Thanks for posting this Cin.
These are so much fun and crazy to look at late at night over the
phone with a friend. My best friend and I had a great time last night
analyzing them. She had some great insights into what some
symbolized.
I want to know why Hungary is a purple bat.....in a Hussars jacket
Does Belgium have chocolate wrappers stuck to her dress?
Is that a guy sitting (maybe fishing) on Miss British Virgin Islands headdress?
I love China's gown and Colombia's is fun.
What the heck has Czeck Republic have over her shoulder--basket handles?
Miss Equador looks like a bird dropping guano from her arms.....
Germany---totally cosplay
Anyone have insight into Miss Great Britain's symbolism?
Japan was fun--anime fighter
Why is Tanzania all spiky, great for a video game villain.
Mexico overwhelmed by too many accessories
Miss Romania is ready for Vlad....
Miss South Africa pulled on a pink and black tutu over her dress at
the last minute.
Spain--a green stuffed cannolli
I love Thailand
Miss Turks & Caicos is a bad craft project
Venezuela is aquaman's queen?
Katy
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:17 PM, <annbw...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Wow--that's something. Some of the African and Latin-Caribbean ones make a
> certain amount of sense--the latter very carnival-looking. But what's with
> Miss Australia? Is that supposed to be the Great Barrier Reef?
>
> Ann Wass
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: Cin <cinbar...@gmail.com>
> To: h-cost <h-cost...@indra.com>
> Sent: Mon, Sep 12, 2011 3:56 pm
> Subject: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 "national" costumes
>
>
> Check out the ridiculous national costumes from this year's Miss
> niverse pagent: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/62603630.html
> here are other websites with a small selection of pics, but this LJ
> ntry has lots & lots. Its possible that you'll need an LJ handle to
> ee them all.
> If you'd rather had just a small set that's not on LJ, here's the
> elegraph's gallery.
> ttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8749932/Miss-Universe-2011-national-costumes.html
> -cin
> ynthia Barnes
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From: zearti...@hotmail.com
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:17:05 -0400
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 "national" costumes
What some show that must have been. I missed it. I didn't get the Miss England
one and several others. Some were grand while some were the bare minimum (bare
being the main part). The futuristic warrior Miss Tanzania was a but much for
me. Kinda Zena meets Buck Rogers (with gold lame') The feather ones were
fabulous. With the variety, I wonder what the requirements were for these. I
wonder how much most of the cost! and how much time it went into making them.
Sincerely,
Rebecca Rautine
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From: lando...@netins.net
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:17:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 "national" costumes
> What the heck has Czeck Republic
>have over her shoulder--basket
>handles?
it reminded me of a certain type of farm/peasant horse cart harness
arrangement seen in that part of the world.
this is the first image I found that illustrates it:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4022/4348331290_015ba6f4f2.jpg
Why on earth they'd want to symbolize horse harness on their candidate is
beyond me. :)
Denise
Iowa
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:23:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 "national" costumes
Looks like a piece of bend wood used for furniture. Do they do that there?
Sincerely,
Rebecca Rautine
> From: lando...@netins.net
> To: h-cost...@indra.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:17:14 -0500
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 "national" costumes
>
> > What the heck has Czeck Republic
> >have over her shoulder--basket
> >handles?
>
> it reminded me of a certain type of farm/peasant horse cart harness
> arrangement seen in that part of the world.
>
> this is the first image I found that illustrates it:
> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4022/4348331290_015ba6f4f2.jpg
>
> Why on earth they'd want to symbolize horse harness on their candidate is
> beyond me. :)
>
> Denise
> Iowa
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:30:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 "national" costumes
Miss Curacao is papagena (sp) from the magic flute :~)
Maybe Great Britain is a river?
Katy
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg
<gilshal...@comcast.net> wrote:
> No, I think some of these ladies must earn extra money in the gentlemen's
> clubs where they are de rigeur. Either that or the designers all work for
> said clubs and forgot to swap out the footwear...
>
> I've only started to look at the images since my computer is running at
> glacial speed tonight and so its taken 45 minutes to get as far as Miss
> Curacao, and I was wondering if the costume designers could be charged with
> crimes against human decency???? I mean to produce Miss Curacao's atrocity,
> they must have OD'd on cocktails mixed with lots of Blue Curacao or
> something equally ghastly... and frankly as a Canadian, Miss Canada's is
> downright offensive, and must be doubly so to one of members of the First
> Nations. <shudder> Some of the others are just plain weird. I think I
> will leave it at that, others seem to be covering the details quite
> adequately. Oh, I managed to get a couple more pictures. The Czech
> Republic looks like a bizarre take-away box to me. LOL!
>
> Cheers,
> Danielle
>
> At 02:14 AM 9/13/2011, you wrote:
>>
>> So the new shoe fashion is kamikaze platforms?
>> They are already tall why add the height? Definitely a carnival or Vegas
>> feel. A lot of retro hair. What's with the white?
>>
>> Albania - simple, yet elegant.
>> Angola - very theatrical.
>> Argentina - ?????? prom?????
>> Aruba, Bahamas, Brazil, Cayman Islands, St. Lucia, Trinidad & Tobago,
>> Turks
>> & Caicos, Uruguay - carnival.
>> Australia - rendition of the Scarlet curtain gown but with granny's
>> patchwork quilt or rag rug.
>> Belgium - ?prom? or maybe a play on Belgium lace?
>> Bolivia - definitely carnival and a good one.
>> Botswana - looks like folkwear but the shovel is a bit much.
>> British Virgin Islands - ribbon trade????????
>> Canada - That is sooooooo wrong. Headdress is worn by the Assiniboine
>> (women
>> of the nation wear it if they are chief) The bodice is hard to tell what
>> it
>> is suppose to be but the tongue and teeth look like the bear (makes her
>> look
>> like she has a poochy tummy) The skirt is suppose to be a teepee. The
>> crossed arms is a Hollywood stereotype. Even if she is of Indigenous
>> decent
>> the costume is still all around tacky.
>> Chile - statement more then folkwear but nice creative design.
>> China - good folkwear.
>> Colombia - I've seen this from an old Hollywood movie. Nice design.
>> Costa Rica - except for the platforms, really nice design.
>> Croatia - What?????? The hair says sock hop but the dress says "be my
>> valentine"
>> Curacao - carnival and not quite right.
>> Cyprus - Nice modern take on the folkwear.
>> Czech Republic - Beam me up Scotty?
>> Denmark - The skirt looks crooked because of the way she is posed. They
>> should have put more into it as it looks to much like a wedding dress for
>> a
>> themed wedding. To my understanding 1700s reenactments are popular in
>> Denmark so I can see why the dress style.
>> Dominican republic, Great Britain, Sweden, U.S. Virgin Islands, Ukraine -
>> ??????????????
>> Ecuador - Impressive. carnival style but natural tones.
>> Egypt - Hollywood strikes again but I can think of worse Hollywood
>> costumes
>> to mimic. Should have gone for color instead of the white.
>> El Salvador - I'm not sure what to say on this.
>> Estonia - Off the rack. nice that she is wearing flats but it just doesn't
>> make sense with the outfit.
>> Finland - Evening dress. possibly association to long nights and winters?
>> France - High School play of Marie Annetoinette? Come on folks, this is
>> Miss
>> Universe! There should be better quality then this even for a folk
>> costume.
>> Germany - Not a nice modern take of folkwear. Looks like something from
>> Frederick's of Hollywood cataloged.
>> Ghana - Nice but could pass for evening wear.
>> Greece - lovely but with the do she looks like an actress from some of
>> those
>> old Italian movies.
>> Guam - is cute.
>> Guatemala - Very good take on folkwear.
>> Guyana - carnivalish but looks to be a modern take on folkwear.
>> Haiti - nice modern take on folkwear.
>> Honduras - Looks like something from the Sports Illustrated swimsuit
>> edition.
>> Hungary - Interesting modern take on folkwear. Though the hat makes it
>> look
>> like she has cat ears. :)
>> Indonesia - traditional.
>> Ireland - modern Celtic goddess look? Theatrical. My first thought was ,
>> cool use of cds. It's nice but like many of the costumes here, it leaves a
>> person wondering what it represents.
>> Israel - prom?
>> Italy - with all their fashion sense they came up with this? Looks like
>> lingerie. Really? they took the colors of their flag and made a red dress,
>> added a green fan with white and a bit of white on the dress with
>> pearls...REALLY?
>> Jamaica, Venezuela, Puerto Rico - again, carnival.
>> Japan - Japanese Anima(sp?)
>> Kazakhstan - what is with the wedding dresses for folkwear? Nice modern
>> take
>> though.
>> Georgia, Korea, Kosovo, Lebanon, Malaysia, Nigeria, New Zealand, Panama,
>> Peru, Portugal, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam - interesting and impressive
>> modern take on folkwear.
>> Mauritius - lace and feathers........
>> Mexico - rummage sale at the costume shop. Actually it is one of the
>> better
>> attempts at symbols to represent the country.
>> Montenegro - looks like haute couture fashion.
>> Netherlands - What were they thinking or looking at when they can up with
>> this? At least they didn't go the Dutch route as that would have excluded
>> other regions.
>> Nicaragua - looks like someone just threw what ever was on hand together.
>> You know that whoever designed it did not consider that Miss Dorn did not
>> have the neck muscles for the headdress.
>> Paraguay - a Vegas showgirl costume gone wrong, way wrong. I did not know
>> that Paraguay had peacocks.
>> Philippines - Looks like one can not make up their mind. Looks like they
>> had
>> two different costumes and they lost the lower have for the white lacey
>> top
>> and the upper piece to the gold skirt.
>> Poland - has a folk feel to it but still looks like prom or bridal.
>> Romania - Vampire Queen?
>> Russia - modern bride? interesting modern take on folkwear.
>> Serbia - really?
>> Slovak Republic - Not a good take of folkwear.
>> Slovenia - Emmy dress.
>> South Africa - should have left off the black and pink stuff.
>> Spain - haute couture or stylized flamenco dress. The oriental fan really
>> says Spain (sarcasm)
>> Sri Lanka - traditional but looks like something that would be worn as
>> evening wear.
>> Tanzania - the new Zena warrior princess?
>> Turkey - The mirrors are the only thing I can think of that might say
>> Turkey.
>> USA - Not bad but the hat is way to big.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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