On Nov 11, 2010, at 11:15 PM, Sean T. Evans wrote:

> I'll be the first to admit that I haven't done enough to keep up with
> the forums. However, it bothers me quite a bit that "good enough" is
> considered acceptable in this (and seemingly only this) aspect of this
> project. Additionally, one of the reasons that was brought in favor of
> self-hosting as opposed to keeping the project in Google Code was that
> there are people who are wary of Google and would rather not have
> accounts with them. But most of all I, like Andy C, find it
> disingenuous for people who are writing a web publishing engine and,
> in all likelihood visit dozens of websites every day and subscribe to
> RSS feeds for more, to use the argument "I won't remember to check the
> forums."

More not forcing people to devote time to checking something they have no 
interest in checking. From my very first message: "I don't think the right 
answer is to try and force someone to regularly check them or become a forums 
czar".

> It also bothers me that the response to the problems with the forum is
> to shut them down rather than actually discuss how to solve the
> problems with them.

Absolutely untrue. This is not the first time the problem has been discussed 
and I think we'd all be more than happy to continue supporting them if there 
were a reason and we could find a way to offer quality service through them. 
The whole point is that we haven't found that way.

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> Yes, a neglected forum is probably as bad or worse than none at all,
> but that's a false dichotomy. We have another option. We can _fix_ the
> forum.

How? You want to fix the forums, that's great. How do you propose doing that, 
other than forcing developers who don't want to use the forums (for whatever 
reason, it doesn't matter) to check them? Are you volunteering to hang out 
there and make them useful? No offense, but I haven't seen you chime in on any 
of the posts asking questions yet...

The number of very negative responses to the idea of shutting down the forums 
in this thread is quite distressing to me. I'm all for passionate people, but 
the idea that anyone who wants the forums to go away hates users... What the 
hell is up with that? This isn't a US election.

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