Owen, this is exactly the kind of feedback I needed. I do have more
questions for you, but I need to thoroughly parse this first. Thank you *so*
much!

Cheers,
E.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Owen Winkler <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 3/9/2011 3:09 PM, Elizabeth Naramore wrote:
>
>> After some discussion in IRC today, it was deemed that I should send
>> this to the list. As you guys know, I'm the Community Development
>> Manager for SourceForge, and one of my goals is to help us help projects
>> like yours. You guys are awesome, and many of you know me personally, so
>> I hope that you will not be afraid to give me honest feedback. In fact,
>> I'm counting on that. So don't worry about anything, just be honest.
>> That's the only way we can get better, and the only way we can help open
>> source.
>>
>> 1. What are 3 things keeping you from hosting your downloads through us?
>>
>
> In random order:
>
> a. Wasn't sure how to get started.  (After poking for a few minutes, it
> seems it's pretty simple to start, but then things get confusing
> immediately.  What's "Beta Forge"?  Should I choose that to start?  If I use
> up my project name, on the wrong choice, is it gone forever?  Etc.)
>
> b. Perceived "old tech" associated with SourceForge compared to the "new
> hotness" of GitHub, Google Code.  The idea that most of the projects there
> are dodgy, ill-maintained/abandoned, UX-deprived, half-baked programs that
> won't even run on my modern architecture, and don't want that perception
> associated with Habari.
>
> c. Questions about ownership/control of code, project, and resources as
> they might be related to the project structure/organization.  For example,
> licensing in the Google Code repo (which is where Habari was before we went
> out on our own) couldn't be multi-license, the -extras repo (the public repo
> for ASL-compatible community plugins) would have been too difficult to
> maintain, granular permissions to branches in the SVN repo were impossible,
> integration between our services becomes more complex when they're spread
> across different services (JibbyBot, wiki lookups, manual, docs, schema
> definitions, etc.), and there was no possibility to style the whole system
> uniformly across resources to prevent people visiting the download (or any
> resource) page from asking "Is this Habari or something else?".
>
>
>  2. If you could change 3 things about SourceForge, what would they be?
>>
>
> a. The perception that mostly dodgy software (see above) is housed there.
>
> b. Better promotion of features.  I can't see what SF does without creating
> a project.
>
> c. Provide direct, visible links for software downloads to use via wget.
>
> d. Offer Habari as a default hosted app. ;)
>
>
>  3. What are the 3 most important factors for the success of your project?
>>
>
> I'm sure I don't gauge our success in the same way as most people or other
> projects.  But.
>
> a. Making sure that we convert users into contributors and/or advocates.
>
> b. Providing tools that let people easily contribute in the ways they are
> able.
>
> c. To get people in the web development world not to think of Habari as
> "like WordPress" but a useful tool in its own right, whether due to its
> architecture or some features that it offers that are different.
>
>
>  4. What is an obstacle you've had to overcome with your project, or
>> something that you're currently struggling with?
>>
>
> Infrastructure maintenance and cost.
>
> Coordinating releases is a pain in the butt.  (Ah, the beauty of GitHub's
> code review features.)
>
> Integrating translations.  This seems like a missing feature on SF?  We use
> Launchpad, which is still not under our infrastructure umbrella.
>
>
> These answers will probably spawn more questions.  Feel free to ask
> directly, if you want.  Hope this has been helpful.
>
> Owen
>
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