Jari and Stig: Just to enter the fray here...
Like Jari, I have precious little time to send reception reports these days and am highly selective in what I can send. So...what I do is record every logging I make, whether on my home rig or on a DX Tuner receiver. I probably have over 400 recordings (software files using Total Recorder) since Feb 2004 - as far as I'm concerned, these recording are better than any QSL card to prove what was heard and from what location and receiver settings - they just don't have the card "collector" value. On the other hand, I really enjoy going back and listening to these recordings anytime I want. I'm not going to make the mistake I did back in the late 70's and dump all my audio tapes of rare DX stations! The down side of this is that I get lazy and don't log program details since most often I don't send a report - so if I decide to send a report I have to re-listen to the recording to recreate a written report. I also need a better log system for my recordings - Shortwave Log would be a good solution. If folks feel they have to "cheat" to get a QSL, they only hurt themselves - I for one see no pleasure in receiving an "unearned" QSL. Of course the other downside is that such people can give our hobby a bad name if they continually send "bogus" reports. On RSH Day I made recordings from both DX Tuner (Sweden) for clarity and enjoyment, and from my own receiver in California for "DX" purposes. I will send RSH recordings from both sites which I think provides them very useful comparative information. The difference is 5,000+ miles vs. 8,000+ miles, not a big deal from a DX perspective for a 1 KW broadcaster, but again useful for comparative purposes. My 2 cents worth...all in all it was a fun day and Robert Kipp should be profusely thanked for the effort to put this event together! Bruce Bruce W. Churchill Senior Project Manager Emergency & Transportation Operations Division [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.delcan.com Systems Business, National Operations 14320 Firestone Blvd. Suite 100 La Mirada, CA 90638 Phone: (714) 562-5725 Fax: (714) 562-5728 Mob: (760)803-2181 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jari Savolainen Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:19 AM To: Stig Hartvig Nielsen; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; hard-core-dx@hard-core-dx.com Subject: [Cumbre DX] Re: [HCDX] RSH - why bother listening - details available online Hi Stig, no problem, comments are always welcome. I agree with you, there are lot of ways to "cheat" if someone wants to. My commentt was about this particular RSH transmission. Why should we make the (possible) cheating even easier by putting details or even audiofiles available in the net. Oldfashioned, heh, I guess I am. But I don't think the received QSL from some station is a word of God. It's just a souvenir, reminding you of that particular listening moment. It proves nothing as you say. You know you've heard the station, is there a QSL or not. Sometimes there are pleasant verifications, in which you can clearly see that your report has been checked detail by detail and then verified. Some years ago I got a QSL-letter from a station, saying my report was correct except in one detail. The newsreader name was Michael Burden, not Michael Burton as I had written. I don't remeber the exact name but that above shows how small the error was. That kind of thing shows that some (small) stations still check the details. Or an Indonesian station with minute-by-minute explanation of my details, what type of songs were played and what was said, (correct) program titles etc. Nowadays I'm sending out only a handful of reception reports (mostly e-mail) per year. But as you say, the thrill of listening to DX-stations is here and stays, with or without QSL's. Kind regards and best 73, Jari Savolainen Kuusankoski Finland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stig Hartvig Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Jari Savolainen'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <hard-core-dx@hard-core-dx.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [HCDX] RSH - why bother listening - details available online Jari - you are a good DX-friend of mine - so don't take this personally - but you're sounding like a voice from the 70'ies or 80'ies - when you would spend endless amount of time writing a detailed reception report to a radio station in order to prove you actually heard the station and get a QSL confirming your reception of the station. Sorry, but that is history. Today you've got so many ways of "cheating". Exactly as you have described - programme details and recordings of exotic and rare "DX-stations" are widely available on the internet. You can also listen to several stations streaming on the internet. You can utilize DX-Tuner. You can easily travel to far away counties and send reception reports to the stations in that particular area. Etc. - etc. So obviously the idea of QSL'ing in the old sense is completely dead. I think. If you bother sending out reception reports and the stations bother responding with a QSL, that's nice - and a nice souvenir but off course it doesn't really prove anything. I don't know whether 90, 95 or even 99 percent of the people sending out reception reports are honest people - or we've got more Giovanni Bellabarba's among us ... But DX'ing is still a great hobby. I think that neither Giovanni Bellabarba nor the lack of "real" QSLs can take that away from us. Trying to catch distant stations is - for me - still very exiting. And - I too enjoyed the transmission from Radio St. Helena yesterday from s/on 1800 UTC and for most of the evening here. Reception was quite good - armchair listening at times :-) Best 73s Stig Hartvig Nielsen, Denmark -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Jari Savolainen Sendt: 5. november 2006 21:15 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; hard-core-dx@hard-core-dx.com Emne: [HCDX] RSH - why bother listening - details available online As always, during some very special broadcasts the dx-mailing lists are filled with detailed logs of reception. Just the same with this R St Helena broadcast. A weak mind with poor reception/no reception at all can easily build up a reception report from these mailings. And if someone puts a recording of the whole transmission online, even better. There's gone the thrill of trying to log a station with sufficient program details by yourself. Well, good for RSH, they'll get more reports - more IRC's - more Greenstamps. But how about the real reception? The broadcast was a great, hardwork of Robert and all the sponsors and the staff of RSH. Thank you. Jari Savolainen Kuusankoski Finland _______________________________________________ Cumbredx mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cs2.ralabs.com/mailman/listinfo/cumbredx ---[Start Commercial]--------------------- Preorder your WRTH 2007: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0953586499/hardcoredxcom/ ---[End Commercial]----------------------- ________________________________________ Hard-Core-DX mailing list Hard-Core-DX@hard-core-dx.com http://arizona.hard-core-dx.com/mailman/listinfo/hard-core-dx http://www.hard-core-dx.com/ _______________________________________________ THE INFORMATION IN THIS ARTICLE IS FREE. It may be copied, distributed and/or modified under the conditions set down in the Design Science License published by Michael Stutz at http://www.gnu.org/licenses/dsl.html