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Today's Topics:
1. logs (Robert Wilkner)
2. 3385 RENB (Dave Valko)
3. Glenn Hauser logs June 7, 2008 (Glenn Hauser)
4. 7120 Chad (Jari Savolainen)
5. Radio Rossii, Px especial. Emisi?n de versiones de "B?same
Mucho" (JOSE MIGUEL ROMERO ROMERO)
6. (no subject) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
7. June 7 Logs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
8. Re: New Perseus Databases (Marcelo Bedene)
9. Re: New Perseus Databases (Marcelo Bedene)
10. SW brasilian radio stations DXCPR - Clarification
(Marcelo Bedene)
11. QSL Report (Artur Fern?ndez Llorella)
12. DX Listening Digest 8-068; World of Radio 1411 (Glenn Hauser)
13. The Shortwave Report 6/6/08 Listen Globally! (Zacharias Liangas )
14. RTI Listeners club meet details now available via RTI web
site (Swopan Chakroborty)
15. New Perseus Databases (Marcelo Bedene)
16. New Perseus Databases (Marcelo Bedene)
17. HCDX logs between 2008-06-07 0000 UTC and 2008-06-08 0000 UTC
(Risto Kotalampi)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 06:36:29 -0400
From: Robert Wilkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HCDX] logs
To: logs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
recent logs 6 June
--------
2379.96 Unid 1000, on 6 June while looking for Radio Educadora,
Limeira.... [Wilkner]
-------
3167.22 Unid 2330 en espanol 5 June [Wilkner]
3170.02 Unid strong carrier.5 June [Wilkner]
3234.9 Peru Radio Luz y Sonido Hu?nuco, seemingly at 1000 to 1030 on 4
June, noted again 0010; 1000 on 6 June. [Wilkner]
3235.51 Unid at 1000 to 1030 only on 4 June. Not noted since. [Wilkner]
4790.10 Peru Radio Visi?n Chiclayo, 1015 easily the strongest OA on 60
meters. No sign of Radio Nueva Atlantida. 6 June. [Wilkner]
4939.39 Venezuela, Radio Amazonas, Puerto Ayacucho very distorted, om
en espanol, nothing at 0900 to 0930; noted very strong 1010 to 1020. 6 June
----------
Ecuador continues to provide excellent signals on:
3220 Ecuador, HCJB Pifo blasting in 0950 4 June [Wilkner]
3279.9 Ecuador, La Voz del Napo Tena 1000 strong signal daily [Wilkner]
4814.9 Ecuador, Radio El Buen Pastor, good signal 1000 to 1030 with
"...palabras de Dios.." mixing with usb voice utility en espanol. 6 June
[Wilkner]
4909.22 Ecuador Radio Chaskis, Otavalo not heard last two weeks. [Wilkner]
--------
73s,
Bob
Pompano Beach, Southeast Florida, US
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 06:53:06 -0400
From: "Dave Valko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HCDX] 3385 RENB
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<hard-core-dx@hard-core-dx.com>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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reply-type=original
3385 PAPUA NEW GUINEA R. East New Britain 1009 M anncr w/EG nx in
detail and ending the the main points. 1010 Pidgin pgm promo ending
w/".NBC, R. East New Britain", then canned ID, and back to live studio M
anncr. Really nice signal but a bit noisy. (7 June)
73 Dave
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:02:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glenn Hauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HCDX] Glenn Hauser logs June 7, 2008
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
** LAOS [non]. Altho on unlisted 11750 last Sunday June 1, Hmong Lao Radio via
WHRI was back on usual 11785, Saturday June 7, *1300:30 joining music in
progress, but then mostly talk including some untranslatable English words
dealing with legal matters, Vung Pao`s court battle, I suppose. 1353 recheck,
traditional rustic singing with fauna chirps in background. 100 kW transmitter
does not override the FE QRM as well as 250 used to, but fortunately this was a
very poor FE morning, with hardly any Firedrake heard anywhere. 1359 OCS and
WHRI ID, 1400 into Hmong World Christian Radio (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING
DIGEST)
** MADAGASCAR. June 7 at 1313 heard something weak I had not noticed before on
15115, drumming and wailing, then M&W talk sort of Arabic-sounding, but not.
Per EiBi this is VOA in Somali at 13-14 (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)
** U S A. VOA Greenville with another messup. 17530 is supposed to be English
news at 1400-1430, but June 7 at 1406 I found an open carrier; 1408:45 joined
music fill, 1415 C&W gospel song about Jesus! Violating separation of church
and state. 1417 announcement in French! Then Aretha-like singer with ``Almost
Persuaded``; 1421 another French back announcement, of that song. 1423
``Midnight Train to Georgia``. 1430 YDD sign-off. Did Greenville axually lose
the program feed from Washington and have to substitute something like this?
French is not even sked on VOA anywhere near this time, nor Creole, but this
wasn`t Creole (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)
** U S A. 13800, June 7 at 1403, quena music but not from HCJB, // 15130 and
17555, WYFR of course, 1404 into FR theme, La Biblia Habla. They should play a
lot more Andean music and forget the Bible stuff; fat chance. I can hardly wait
to hear Harold Camping in DRM (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)
UNIDENTIFIED. June 7 was waiting for Cuban music to appear on 15460. At 1558
there was a weak carrier, but at 1559:30 a very strong carrier cut on and a few
seconds later the music, with no announcements. Previous days this has run
until 1859, then 17660 from 1900 past 2100. If these are tests to assess a new
clandestine service, could be from more than one transmitter site (Glenn
Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST) ###
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 22:39:08 +0300
From: "Jari Savolainen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HCDX] 7120 Chad
To: "HCDX" <hard-core-dx@hard-core-dx.com>, "DXP"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "DXLD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "CDX"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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07 June at 1915 R Chad in French peaking
through the dominating Russia. 4905 was empty.
Jari Savolainen
Kuusankoski
Finland
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:51:52 +0000 (GMT)
From: JOSE MIGUEL ROMERO ROMERO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HCDX] Radio Rossii, Px especial. Emisi?n de versiones de
"B?same Mucho"
To: Frecuencia DX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Saludos cordiales.
RUSIA 7120 Radio Rossii, 19:40-19:48, escuchada el 7 de junio en ruso a locutor
y locutora con programa musical, programa especial?, se escuchan diferentes
versiones de la canci?n ?B?same Mucho? de Consuelo Vel?zquez, tanto en versi?n
espa?ol c?mo en ingl?s, ID, SINPO 45444
Jos? Miguel Romero
Burjasot (Valencia)
Espa?a
Sangean ATS 909
Antena Radio Master
______________________________________________
Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada m?s inteligente.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 22:05:57 +0100
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HCDX] (no subject)
To: "worlddx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Anker Petersen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <hard-core-dx@hard-core-dx.com>,
"Logs DSWCI Logs DSWCI Logs DSWCI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Robert
Wilkner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Shortwaveworld Shortwaveworld
Shortwaveworld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "worlddx"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Bulgaria, 9700, Radio Bulgaria, 2120-2200, News and features about Bulgaria
in English.
At 2128 music is also presented. Signal was good. I checked alternate
freqs such as
13800 and 7400, but either off the air or hadn't faded in yet? (Chuck
Bolland, June
7, 2008)
Clewiston, Florida
NRD545
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:13:04 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [HCDX] June 7 Logs
To: hard-core-dx@hard-core-dx.com
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
** DJIBOUTI. 4780, Radio Djibouti, *0259-0325, June 7, sign on with
National Anthem. Opening Arabic announcements at 0300. Koran at
0302. Local music at 0325. Poor with strong CODAR QRM.
(Brian Alexander, PA)
** EGYPT. 9250, Radio Wadi el-Nil, 2150-2201*, June 7, local Mid-East
music. Arabic talk. Koran at 2154. Talk at 2159. Anthem at 2200 & off
mid-song. Fair. (Brian Alexander, PA)
** SUDAN (non). via SLOVAKIA. 15650, Miraya FM Radio, 1509-1512,
June 7, Presumed with English news about Sudan. Arabic at 1511.
Poor in noisy conditions. (Brian Alexander, PA)
** UNIDENTIFIED. 15190, 1600-1700+, June 7, strong, badly distorted
FMing open carrier. No programming heard. Not heard at 1925 check.
Equatorial Guinea? (Brian Alexander, PA)
**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:10:38 -0300
From: "Marcelo Bedene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [HCDX] New Perseus Databases
To: "Marcelo Bedene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Willi Passmann"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Hard-Core-DX@hard-core-dx.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response
> Hi Willi
>
> I would like to clarify some things:
>
> In first place, to say that all is a great lie in this discussion.
>
> The list that the Rocco corrected was a sweeping, all old fashioned and
> full one of inaccuracies.
>
> Desire that you know that I let participate exactly in the DXCB, by the
> incompetence of the directive cupola, mainly of Mr. Rocco that published a
> list that updated every 3 years. Towards long time I insisted so that the
> list was updated but assiduously and never they took care of my request.
>
>
>
> I proposed a new project for the DXCB in mayo/2007 (this list that we are
> using was the one that we sent to them) and did not accept, mainly Mr.
> Rocco that was scared to lose the paternity of the list. I proposed to
> them then, to work together and they did not accept either. It was there
> that I separated completely of group DXCB and we created the DXCPR
> www.dxclube.com.br and a new list, in new format and updated day to day.
> After all, that is the reason of a list, to maintain updated information.
> Therefore, an update every 3 years does not have sense.
>
>
>
> In the DXCPR we have some collaborators who send the information to us of
> several regions of all the country, but the greater work I do, spending
> money in telephone calls for the transmitters, consulting with the people
> in charge of the transmitters in all Brazil. I like much to do this; I am
> a lover of the OM.
>
> We have a list with many members and about 300 posts per month
> http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/dxclube/
>
> It is enough with crossing posts, to verify the hundreds of updates that I
> already did, sending the list for different forums anywhere in the world.
> Clear that this it is an enormous country, of continental dimensions and
> always it will be possible to find some error in the list.
>
>
>
> I recently download a copy of the list published by DXCB and I noticed
> that now he is exactly equal to my list with minimum errors to my favor.
> They are taking advantage of the spreading my updates and simply,
> correcting the list of them. Simply ridiculous.
>
>
>
> I only know that they are dying of jealousy, by the good repercussion that
> we are having. The list that we published is reliable, and it is already
> reference anywhere in the world, thanks to serious and responsible a work
> that we do here.
>
>
>
> I also say to them that the DXCPR is not a club of a man only, the
> difference is in which here single we have voluntary collaborators and we
> did not receive anything to participate, is a work in favor of the DX and
> nothing else, then, a mini foundation in that accusation of plagiarism
> does not exist. One is the continuity of a work that badly was directed
> and that is a serious defect of the DXCB, if you enter there with new
> ideas, they do not admit it, it is necessary to be in everything in
> agreement with them.
>
> It was by that reason that I moved away of them, to be able to make a work
> of quality
>
>
>
> 73
>
>
>
> MARCELO VILELA BEDENE
>
> CURITIBA-PR-BRASIL
> PX5G6444 (Off-Road)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> DX CLUBE DO PARAN? (DXCPR)
> http://www.dxclube.com.br
> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> SKYPE:mbedene4404
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbedene/sets/
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Willi Passmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Rocco Cotroneo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "HCDX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [HCDX] New Perseus Databases
>
>
>> Hi Rocco,
>>
>> thanks for your mail which gave new information to me. However, I think
>> this is a matter that should be discussed between you and Marcelo Bedene.
>> I do not claim any rights regarding the content of the lists collected in
>> the Perseus Databases. I see my task in combining frequency lists (of
>> course with permission of the publisher), and to add functions like
>> displaying sunrise / sunset times and distance, as well as receiver
>> operation for the Perseus.
>>
>> As I did not know any background of the DXCB - DXCP issue until now, I do
>> not feel well prepared for any final judgement. When I downloaded your
>> list some minutes ago (Link 1 gives a 404-error, btw) I noticed that the
>> list is from 2007 and does not contain any coordinates which are
>> essential for the above mentioned calculations.
>> But I offer to add your list to the Perseus Databases. Just send an Excel
>> file to me and much more DXers will be able to take notice of your work.
>> Let them decide what list they prefer.
>> What do you think?
>>
>> vy 73
>> Willi
>>
>>
>> Rocco Cotroneo schrieb:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Willi Passmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> a new version of the Perseus databases is available at
>>> http://www.4shared.com/dir/5567845/166a39bd/sharing.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Willi
>>> just to inform you that Bedene's list (DXCP is a sort of one-man club)
>>> is basically a Excel copy of the Brazilian Medium Wave list which has
>>> been edited for years by the Dx Clube do Brasil, with a few more bells
>>> and whistles.
>>> Our list - used and acknowledged by hundreds of Mw dxers around the
>>> world - is now at its Fourth edition.
>>> http://www.ondascurtas.com/listasemissorasmw.asp
>>>
>>> I understand that Bedene's list is suitable for your software purpose. I
>>> just wanted to let you know how his work has been done without giving
>>> any credit to probably over 90 per cent of his entries, and dozens of
>>> our collaborators in the past eight years.
>>>
>>> Rocco Cotroneo
>>> Dx Clube do Brasil
>>>
>>
>
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:10:38 -0300
From: "Marcelo Bedene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [HCDX] New Perseus Databases
To: "Marcelo Bedene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Willi Passmann"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Hard-Core-DX@hard-core-dx.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response
> Hi Willi
>
> I would like to clarify some things:
>
> In first place, to say that all is a great lie in this discussion.
>
> The list that the Rocco corrected was a sweeping, all old fashioned and
> full one of inaccuracies.
>
> Desire that you know that I let participate exactly in the DXCB, by the
> incompetence of the directive cupola, mainly of Mr. Rocco that published a
> list that updated every 3 years. Towards long time I insisted so that the
> list was updated but assiduously and never they took care of my request.
>
>
>
> I proposed a new project for the DXCB in mayo/2007 (this list that we are
> using was the one that we sent to them) and did not accept, mainly Mr.
> Rocco that was scared to lose the paternity of the list. I proposed to
> them then, to work together and they did not accept either. It was there
> that I separated completely of group DXCB and we created the DXCPR
> www.dxclube.com.br and a new list, in new format and updated day to day.
> After all, that is the reason of a list, to maintain updated information.
> Therefore, an update every 3 years does not have sense.
>
>
>
> In the DXCPR we have some collaborators who send the information to us of
> several regions of all the country, but the greater work I do, spending
> money in telephone calls for the transmitters, consulting with the people
> in charge of the transmitters in all Brazil. I like much to do this; I am
> a lover of the OM.
>
> We have a list with many members and about 300 posts per month
> http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/dxclube/
>
> It is enough with crossing posts, to verify the hundreds of updates that I
> already did, sending the list for different forums anywhere in the world.
> Clear that this it is an enormous country, of continental dimensions and
> always it will be possible to find some error in the list.
>
>
>
> I recently download a copy of the list published by DXCB and I noticed
> that now he is exactly equal to my list with minimum errors to my favor.
> They are taking advantage of the spreading my updates and simply,
> correcting the list of them. Simply ridiculous.
>
>
>
> I only know that they are dying of jealousy, by the good repercussion that
> we are having. The list that we published is reliable, and it is already
> reference anywhere in the world, thanks to serious and responsible a work
> that we do here.
>
>
>
> I also say to them that the DXCPR is not a club of a man only, the
> difference is in which here single we have voluntary collaborators and we
> did not receive anything to participate, is a work in favor of the DX and
> nothing else, then, a mini foundation in that accusation of plagiarism
> does not exist. One is the continuity of a work that badly was directed
> and that is a serious defect of the DXCB, if you enter there with new
> ideas, they do not admit it, it is necessary to be in everything in
> agreement with them.
>
> It was by that reason that I moved away of them, to be able to make a work
> of quality
>
>
>
> 73
>
>
>
> MARCELO VILELA BEDENE
>
> CURITIBA-PR-BRASIL
> PX5G6444 (Off-Road)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> DX CLUBE DO PARAN? (DXCPR)
> http://www.dxclube.com.br
> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> SKYPE:mbedene4404
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbedene/sets/
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Willi Passmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Rocco Cotroneo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "HCDX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [HCDX] New Perseus Databases
>
>
>> Hi Rocco,
>>
>> thanks for your mail which gave new information to me. However, I think
>> this is a matter that should be discussed between you and Marcelo Bedene.
>> I do not claim any rights regarding the content of the lists collected in
>> the Perseus Databases. I see my task in combining frequency lists (of
>> course with permission of the publisher), and to add functions like
>> displaying sunrise / sunset times and distance, as well as receiver
>> operation for the Perseus.
>>
>> As I did not know any background of the DXCB - DXCP issue until now, I do
>> not feel well prepared for any final judgement. When I downloaded your
>> list some minutes ago (Link 1 gives a 404-error, btw) I noticed that the
>> list is from 2007 and does not contain any coordinates which are
>> essential for the above mentioned calculations.
>> But I offer to add your list to the Perseus Databases. Just send an Excel
>> file to me and much more DXers will be able to take notice of your work.
>> Let them decide what list they prefer.
>> What do you think?
>>
>> vy 73
>> Willi
>>
>>
>> Rocco Cotroneo schrieb:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Willi Passmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> a new version of the Perseus databases is available at
>>> http://www.4shared.com/dir/5567845/166a39bd/sharing.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Willi
>>> just to inform you that Bedene's list (DXCP is a sort of one-man club)
>>> is basically a Excel copy of the Brazilian Medium Wave list which has
>>> been edited for years by the Dx Clube do Brasil, with a few more bells
>>> and whistles.
>>> Our list - used and acknowledged by hundreds of Mw dxers around the
>>> world - is now at its Fourth edition.
>>> http://www.ondascurtas.com/listasemissorasmw.asp
>>>
>>> I understand that Bedene's list is suitable for your software purpose. I
>>> just wanted to let you know how his work has been done without giving
>>> any credit to probably over 90 per cent of his entries, and dozens of
>>> our collaborators in the past eight years.
>>>
>>> Rocco Cotroneo
>>> Dx Clube do Brasil
>>>
>>
>
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:46:51 -0300
From: "Marcelo Bedene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HCDX] SW brasilian radio stations DXCPR - Clarification
To: <Hard-Core-DX@hard-core-dx.com>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
would like to clarify some things:
In first place, to say that all is a great lie in this discussion.
The list that the Rocco corrected was a sweeping, all old fashioned and full
one of inaccuracies.
Desire that you know that I let participate exactly in the DXCB, by the
incompetence of the directive cupola, mainly of Mr. Rocco that published a
list that updated every 3 years. Towards long time I insisted so that the
list was updated but assiduously and never they took care of my request.
proposed a new project for the DXCB in mayo/2007 (this list that we are
using was the one that we sent to them) and did not accept, mainly Mr. Rocco
that was scared to lose the paternity of the list. I proposed to them then,
to work together and they did not accept either. It was there that I
separated completely of group DXCB and we created the DXCPR
www.dxclube.com.br and a new list, in new format and updated day to day.
After all, that is the reason of a list, to maintain updated information.
Therefore, an update every 3 years does not have sense.
In the DXCPR we have some collaborators who send the information to us of
several regions of all the country, but the greater work I do, spending
money in telephone calls for the transmitters, consulting with the people in
charge of the transmitters in all Brazil. I like much to do this; I am a
lover of the OM.
We have a list with many members and about 300 posts per month
http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/dxclube/
It is enough with crossing posts, to verify the hundreds of updates that I
already did, sending the list for different forums anywhere in the world.
Clear that this it is an enormous country, of continental dimensions and
always it will be possible to find some error in the list.
I recently download a copy of the list published by DXCB and I noticed that
now he is exactly equal to my list with minimum errors to my favor. They are
taking advantage of the spreading my updates and simply, correcting the list
of them. Simply ridiculous.
I only know that they are dying of jealousy, by the good repercussion that
we are having. The list that we published is reliable, and it is already
reference anywhere in the world, thanks to serious and responsible a work
that we do here.
I also say to them that the DXCPR is not a club of a man only, the
difference is in which here single we have voluntary collaborators and we
did not receive anything to participate, is a work in favor of the DX and
nothing else, then, a mini foundation in that accusation of plagiarism does
not exist. One is the continuity of a work that badly was directed and that
is a serious defect of the DXCB, if you enter there with new ideas, they do
not admit it, it is necessary to be in everything in agreement with them.
It was by that reason that I moved away of them, to be able to make a work
of quality
73
MARCELO VILELA BEDENE
CURITIBA-PR-BRASIL
PX5G6444 (Off-Road)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DX CLUBE DO PARAN? (DXCPR)
http://www.dxclube.com.br
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SKYPE:mbedene4404
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbedene/sets/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Willi Passmann" <>
To: "Rocco Cotroneo" <>
Cc: "HCDX" <>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [HCDX] New Perseus Databases
> Hi Rocco,
>
> thanks for your mail which gave new information to me. However, I think
> this is a matter that should be discussed between you and Marcelo Bedene.
> I do not claim any rights regarding the content of the lists collected in
> the Perseus Databases. I see my task in combining frequency lists (of
> course with permission of the publisher), and to add functions like
> displaying sunrise / sunset times and distance, as well as receiver
> operation for the Perseus.
>
> As I did not know any background of the DXCB - DXCP issue until now, I do
> not feel well prepared for any final judgement. When I downloaded your
> list some minutes ago (Link 1 gives a 404-error, btw) I noticed that the
> list is from 2007 and does not contain any coordinates which are essential
> for the above mentioned calculations.
> But I offer to add your list to the Perseus Databases. Just send an Excel
> file to me and much more DXers will be able to take notice of your work.
> Let them decide what list they prefer.
> What do you think?
>
> vy 73
> Willi
>
>
> Rocco Cotroneo schrieb:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Willi Passmann >> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> a new version of the Perseus databases is available at
>> http://www.4shared.com/dir/5567845/166a39bd/sharing.html
>>
>> Willi
>> just to inform you that Bedene's list (DXCP is a sort of one-man club)
>> is basically a Excel copy of the Brazilian Medium Wave list which has
>> been edited for years by the Dx Clube do Brasil, with a few more bells
>> and whistles.
>> Our list - used and acknowledged by hundreds of Mw dxers around the
>> world - is now at its Fourth edition.
>> http://www.ondascurtas.com/listasemissorasmw.asp
>>
>> I understand that Bedene's list is suitable for your software purpose. I
>> just wanted to let you know how his work has been done without giving any
>> credit to probably over 90 per cent of his entries, and dozens of our
>> collaborators in the past eight years.
>>
>> Rocco Cotroneo
>> Dx Clube do Brasil
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:14:15 +0200
From: Artur Fern?ndez Llorella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HCDX] QSL Report
To: hard-core-dx HCDX <hard-core-dx@hard-core-dx.com>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
R. Zusa, via DTK, 6045, received QSL card, returned PPC, stickers, brochures
and CD for an old report, v/s Reinhard Kaiser. All in 16 weeks.
R. Caroline, via Ulbroka, 9290, received QSL card for e-report, v/s Pat Edison,
after 17 weeks.
TWR Benin, 1566, received full detailed E-QSL from Mrs. L. Stavropoulos,
DX-Secretary. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lutheran World Federation/Sawtu Linjiila, 9655, via DTK, received a non
detailed e-mail from Mr. Jukka Latva-Hakuni, Media Consultant for e-mail report.
AGDX via HCJB Equador, 9740, received QSL card, personal letter in 6 weeks for
$. v/s Olaf Mertens. Address: AGDX, Postfach 1214, D-61282 Bad Homburg, Germany.
R. Face de Blatte, free radio, 6325, receivd QSL card, sticker and info after 8
weeks and one $. Address: SRS Germany.
R. Calypso, free radio, 6275, received on detailed e-mail letter after one
week. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Voice of Kurdistan, clandestine, 6335, received a non detailed form e-mail
letter from Alex Atroushi. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Frusato No Kaze, via Darwin, 11775, received non detailed letter and non
detailed e-mail from Mr. Sunochi Tomoyuki. Some brochures too. Address: Policy
Planning Division, Headquarters for the Abduction Issue, Cabinet Secretariat,
Gov. of jaan, 1-6-1 Nagata-cho, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo, Japan. E-mail: [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
_________________________________________________________________
La vida de los famosos al desnudo en MSN Entretenimiento
http://entretenimiento.es.msn.com/
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:42:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glenn Hauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HCDX] DX Listening Digest 8-068; World of Radio 1411
To: Glenn Hauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
DX Listening Digest 8-068 has now been posted at
http://www.w4uvh.net/dxlatest.txt or http://dxld.worldofradio.org
and now also without delay at http://www.w4uvh.net/dxld8068.txt
CONTENTS:
WOR 1411 / AFGHANISTAN non / ALBANIA / ARGENTINA / AUSTRALIA CVC DRM / BIAFRA
non / BOLIVIA / BULGARIA DRM / CANADA RCI / CANADA CKZU / CANADA CBCR2 / CHINA
/ COSTA RICA / CUBA +non / ERITREA +non / FINLAND / GERMANY +non / GERMANY EAST
/ GREECE / GUAM / HUNGARY A08 / INDONESIA / IRAN A08 / ITALY / JAPAN / JORDAN /
KASHMIR / KENYA / KOREA NORTH +non / KOREA SOUTH / KUWAIT DRM / LATVIA /
MALAYSIA +non / MONGOLIA / MYANMAR / NETHERLANDS non / NORTH AMERICA TCS /
OKLAHOMA KFAQ/KAKC/KMUS/KTBZ/IBOC / PAPUA NEW GUINEA / RUSSIA +non / SAUDI
ARABIA / SINGAPORE / SLOVAKIA / SPAIN +non / SRI LANKA / TAIWAN +non / TINIAN /
TONGA / TURKEY +non / UK non BBCMR / UK BBC4 / UK +non TWR/LTW / UK Droitwich /
USA AFRTS/AFN / USA WBCQ / USA WEWN / USA +non WYFR/DRM / USA WEUS / USA Marc
Fisher / USA Cucamonga pirate / ZIMBABWE / UNIDENTIFIED 6925 / UNIDENTIFIED
15460 / TESTIMONIALS / PUBLICATIONS / LANGUAGE LESSONS / MUSEA / DIGITAL
BROADCASTING / RADIO EQUIPMENT FORUM /
PROPAGATION
For restrixions and searchable 2008 contents archive see
http://www.worldofradio.com/dxldmid.html
For restrixions and searchable 2007 contents archive see
http://www.worldofradio.com/dxldmid7.html
NOTE: If you are a regular reader of DXLD, and a source of DX news but
have not been sending it directly to us, please consider yourself
obligated to do so. Thanks, Glenn
WORLD OF RADIO 1411 SUMMARY:
*Saudi Arabian transmitters keep radiating nothing but loud buzz,
spikes blotting out entire SW bands, notably from 15205, 11915; but
occasionally relent, so maybe they are monkeying with problem rather
than ignoring it
*If this racket had landed in a hamband there would have been hell to
pay, with the DARC/Intruder Watchers jumping on it. No one is looking
out for the interests of SW broadcasting. But protests are now going
to S.A. thru official channels
*R. Pakistan WS has live audio of Urdu broadcasts via
http://www.radio.gov.pk
*Plus little English newscast at 1100, but now shifted to 1000, as Pak
suddenly went on DST June 1 of UT +6, which shifted all external
broadcasts one UT hour earlier without warning; `major` English
broadcast at 1600 now should be 1500-1515 on 9385 11565 15625.4
*Two new 100 kW transmitters being installed at Landhi, near Karachi,
will have two rotatable curtain antennas, like those in Portugal,
Oman, Turkey
*AIR Kargil, Jammu & Kashmir MW station reported in Indian press to
have gone on air with 200 kW May 30. WTFK? Must be 684 kHz, but
already listed in WRTH two years ago as 200 kW
*All CNR-1 frequencies from China carry daily national news
conference around 0800-0900, in Chinese with complete translations
in English, following quake; still doing so?
*Chinese Firedrake musical jamming resumed May 29 after 10 day
substitution by CNR-1; SARFT thus admits it is responsible for
jamming
*CRI English to NAm at 0100 has two separate programs: regular on 9580
via Cuba, 9790 Canada; and China Drive from Beijing, domestic service
via Albania 6020, 9570
*V. of Indonesia before and after 1400 this week: on 9525, 9526, or
missing; usual unpredictability
*R. Veritas Asia, Philippines, 9 of 16 antennas destroyed by Typhoon
Cosme, so many transmissions have to be put on remaining antennas at
wrong azimuths, e.g. Vatican relay 1220-1315 on 6020 on 280 instead
of 355 degrees
*Whenever such a pious station suffers a disaster, one must wonder
about its true relationship with God
*R. New Zealand International`s new analog schedule from May 30
*Broadcast auxiliary from Texas on 25870 identified as from KLDE,
104.9, Eldorado, skipping out thanks to sporadic E; unknown why they
are on 11 meters
*QSO with Ted Randall on WBCQ 7415 retimed to UT Sundays 0300
*WRMI, 9955 has been working on antenna aimed northwest, and signal
seems improved, including 14-16 UT with Prague relays, DX programs
such as World of Radio; 16-21 weekdays with WRN relays, 21-24 with
Overnight AM for the paranormal community
*WEWN puts leapfrog mixing product in Spanish on 11170, 11870 over
11520, at 0100; could happen between 0000 and 0600, also the other
way on 12220
*The non commercial, non communist, non corporate, non Christian, non
capitalist, non Cumbre, DX program, World of Radio, P O Box 1684,
Enid OK 73702
*Thanks this week for financial support from Larry & Jane Will, via
PayPal to woradio at yahoo.com
*Much more info at our website http://worldofradio.org
*Standard disclaimer
*If you hear Russian on 5920, it`s not necessarily R. Rossii,
Kamchatka, on the air 22 hours a day. WBOH, North Carolina has 5
minutes of Russian weekdays at 0635, which we ran across
*Also on WTJC 9370, which on another occasion was putting big FMy blob
on 9255-9285
*Chuck Bolland in Florida heard R. Rossii at 1000 on 5920, apparently
when WBOH was off
*WHRI 11785 was accompanied by big spurs around 11771, 11799 clashing
with Anguilla, Cuba; but for Hmong Lao Radio, Sunday at 1300 was on
unlisted 11750 alone instead; what about this Sat, Sun?
*Domestic newspapers can take news from VOA site without cost or
copyright problems as long as they initiate it
*CKBD Vancouver approved to move from 600 AM to FM; but CBC flagship
CBU, which also has many AM and FM relays, has to keep 690
*CJCH 920 Halifax turned off without usual 3-month overlap, becoming
101.3 The Bounce
*XEXQ, 6045, San Luis Potos?, Mexico, barely audible in OK at 1302,
while inverted V antenna is lowered to only one meter above ground
level
*R. Nicaragua, government station on 620, knocked off the air by cable
theft, and no money to replace it; was best DX bet for this country
*RHC, 11680, collides with Spain on 11680 at 0000-0200; and with DRM
from Kuwait before 0300 on 11670-11675-11680, New Zealand after 0300
*R. Amazonas, Venezuela, reactivated around 4940 but extremely
distorted, heard two or three nights at 0130
*La Voz del Guaviare, Colombia, 6035, 2230-0300 IDs also as Radio Uno
in network relay
*Ondas del Suroriente, Quillabamba, Per?, 5120.1 heard at 2207 in
Colombia; announces 5070
*R. Globo, Rio de Janeiro, reactivated on 11804.7 to 11804.8 both
morning and evening
*R. Guaruj?, Florian?polis, Brasil, 5980.55 reactivated after ``a long
period of hibernation with severe technical problems``
*RAE, Buenos Aires, also had severe technical problem, theft once
again of a cable feeding programming to transmitter, so off the air
May 30-June 1; when back we found it on 15343.9 around 2200
*Woofferton transmitters in UK putting spurs on 9415 and 9610 from mix
of 9480 and 9545 at 06-08, with DW relay; also in Arabic on 12380 at
0830, mix of BBC 15180 and DW 13780
*International Radio Serbia took our advice and shifted from 6185 to
6190 for North America 2330-0130, including English 0000 & 0100, no
longer colliding with Mexico City; poor here, very good in northeast
*Never mind the schedule announced last week of Algeria via France; it
lasted only 4 days, but continues to be relayed by VTC transmitters
in UK, Portugal; speculation about who pays for all this, French
intelligence or CIA to counter Libya`s broadcasts?
*Like Pakistan, Morocco went on DST June 1, of UT +1, to save energy,
match Europe; effect on few remaining SW transmissions not known, but
15345 may close an hour earlier at 2100
*R. Bana, Ethiopia, 5100 heard in English until 1800 sign-off
*Miraya FM Radio, in Arabic, English to Sudan via Slovakia at 15-18
moved to 15650
*But collides with V. of Oromiya Independence Sat 1700-1730 via
Germany, so that may be moving
*R. Cairo continues colliding with WEWN 11550; was 11550.1, but now
heard on 11549.5 including undermodulated English at 2115-2245
*Propagation outlook from Boulder, June 4: solar flux 67-70-67
NEXT SHORTWAVE AIRINGS OF WORLD OF RADIO 1411
Fri 2030 WWCR1 15825
Sat 0800 WRMI 9955
Sat 1630 WWCR3 12160
Sun 0230 WWCR3 5070
Sun 0630 WWCR1 3215
Sun 0800 WRMI 9955
Sun 1515 WRMI 9955
Mon 0415 WBCQ 7415 [time varies]
Tue 1100 WRMI 9955
Tue 1530 WRMI 9955
Wed 0530 WRMI 9955 [new]
Wed 1130 WRMI 9955
Latest edition of this schedule version, including AM, FM, satellite
and webcasts with hotlinks to station sites and audio, is at:
http://www.worldofradio.com/radioskd.html
For updates see our Anomaly Alert page:
http://www.worldofradio.com/anomaly.html
WRN ON DEMAND:
http://new.wrn.org/listeners/stations/station.php?StationID=24
WORLD OF RADIO PODCASTS VIA WRN NOW AVAILABLE:
http://www.wrn.org/listeners/stations/podcast.php
OUR ONDEMAND AUDIO:
http://www.worldofradio.com/audiomid.html
or http://wor.worldofradio.org
Regards, Glenn Hauser
------------------------------
Message: 13
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:37:47 +0300
From: "Zacharias Liangas " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HCDX] The Shortwave Report 6/6/08 Listen Globally!
To: <>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
The Shortwave Report 6/6/08 Listen Globally!
by Dan Roberts
Thursday Jun 5th, 2008 6:10 PM
A weekly 30 minute review of news and opinion, recorded from a
shortwave radio. With times and freqs for listening at home. 2 files-
broadcast and slow-modem streaming. Free to rebroadcast. China,
Netherlands, Cuba, and Russia.
Dear Radio Friend,
The latest Shortwave Report (June 6) is up at the website
http://www.outfarpress.com/outfarpress/shortwave.shtml in both broadcast
quality (13.3MB) and quickdownload or streaming form (4.9MB) (28:59)
(NEW! If you have access to Audioport.org there is a higher quality version
posted up there {26.7MB} http://www.audioport.org/index.php?op=producer-
info&uid=904&nav=&;)
This week's show features stories from China Radio International, Radio
Netherlands, Radio Havana Cuba, and the Voice of Russia.
>From CHINA- First a roundup of news about last month's earthquake, which
has now claimed nearly 70,000 lives. China is upset over the annual US
State Department report on the development of human rights and
democracy. The IAEA is meeting to examine Iran's nuclear development
status and allegations that Syria had been working on a nuclear reactor.
>From NETHERLANDS- Oxfam released a report on the global food crisis,
calling for more monetary aid and agricultural assistance. A new wind
turbine park 10 km off the coast of Holland will provide 2 percent of Dutch
electricity. A Radio Netherlands reporter has returned from cyclone-
devastated Myanmar and describes the efficiency of aid distribution and the
status of the refugees.
>From CUBA- The United Nations Childrens Fund has praised the 111
nations that created a treaty banning cluster bombs. A Viewpoint on the
recent meeting in Colombia of the Organization of American States. The
Israeli government has announced another round of settlement construction
in the occupied territories. Tens of thousands of Iraqis protested ongoing
talks between the US military and the Iraqi government they installed.
Australia has ended combat operations in Iraq and a group wants former
Prime Minister Howard charged with war crimes.
>From RUSSIA- A report was released alleging that the US has secret
prisons on Naval ships mostly floating in the Indian Ocean. Czech citizens
and politicians are holding hunger strikes in protest of plans to install
components of the US anti-ballistic missile system in their country.
There is an article about the Shortwave Report by Cassandra Roos on line
at-http://www.campusprogress.org/soundvision/780/big-stories-shortwaves
I was interviewed for an informative weekly radio show Mediageek, available
at http://radio.mediageek.net
All that plus times and frequencies for listening at home. It's free to
rebroadcast, please notify me if you're airing it and haven't notified me in
the
last month, please mention the website if you only air a portion. If you just
want to listen and have a slow connection, try the streaming version- lower
sound quality but good enough and way easier if you don't have a high-
speed internet connection. If streaming is a problem because of your slow
connection, download the smaller file- it takes 20 minutes or less, and will
play swell in any mp3 player application (RealPlayer, Winamp, Quicktime,
iTunes, etc) you have on your computer.
This program will be aired on Friday afternoon at 4:30pm (PDST) on KZYX/Z
Philo CA, you might be able to stream via
There are several other streams that work better- Freak Radio Santa Cruz
now streams this program on Friday at 9:00am.(PDST)
The Shortwave Report may be downloaded as a podcast from or iTunes
(search for "shortwave" in podcasts)
Check out the amazing streams at
And Radio For Peace International at
I hope you'll listen and air this if you're connected with a radio station. I
am
still wondering how to get financially compensated for the 25 hours I put into
this program weekly- any ideas are appreciated. Any stations rebroadcasting
this (or listeners) are welcome to donate for production costs. You can do so
through the website. Many thanks to those that have donated! No Guilt!
(maybe a little)
link for broadcast edition-
(13.3MB)
link for smaller file and streaming-
?FurthuR! Dan Roberts
--"This world that we have made as a result of the level of thinking we have
done thus far creates problems which cannot be solved by the same level of
thinking in which they were created."
--Albert Einstein
Please read my aricle on SINPO at http://tinyurl.com/yt7qjd
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:14:12 +0530
From: "Swopan Chakroborty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HCDX] RTI Listeners club meet details now available via RTI
web site
To: "Bangladx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Radio Taiwan Int. (RTI) Listeners Club meeting details ( with picture slide
show) is now available via RTI web site.
Click on: http://english.rti.org.tw/english/special/club/India_Delhi_Kolkata.htm
73s,
Swopan Chakroborty
Kolkata, India
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:07:30 -0300
From: "Marcelo Bedene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HCDX] New Perseus Databases
To: "Willi Passmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Hard-Core-DX@hard-core-dx.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response
Hi Willi
I would like to clarify some things:
In first place, to say that all is a great lie in this discussion.
The list that the Rocco corrected was a sweeping, all old fashioned and full
one of inaccuracies.
Desire that you know that I let participate exactly in the DXCB, by the
incompetence of the directive cupola, mainly of Mr. Rocco that published a
list that updated every 3 years. Towards long time I insisted so that the
list was updated but assiduously and never they took care of my request.
I proposed a new project for the DXCB in mayo/2007 (this list that we are
using was the one that we sent to them) and did not accept, mainly Mr. Rocco
that was scared to lose the paternity of the list. I proposed to them then,
to work together and they did not accept either. It was there that I
separated completely of group DXCB and we created the DXCPR
www.dxclube.com.br and a new list, in new format and updated day to day.
After all, that is the reason of a list, to maintain updated information.
Therefore, an update every 3 years does not have sense.
In the DXCPR we have some collaborators who send the information to us of
several regions of all the country, but the greater work I do, spending
money in telephone calls for the transmitters, consulting with the people in
charge of the transmitters in all Brazil. I like much to do this; I am a
lover of the OM.
We have a list with many members and about 300 posts per month
http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/dxclube/
It is enough with crossing posts, to verify the hundreds of updates that I
already did, sending the list for different forums anywhere in the world.
Clear that this it is an enormous country, of continental dimensions and
always it will be possible to find some error in the list.
I recently download a copy of the list published by DXCB and I noticed that
now he is exactly equal to my list with minimum errors to my favor. They are
taking advantage of the spreading my updates and simply, correcting the list
of them. Simply ridiculous.
I only know that they are dying of jealousy, by the good repercussion that
we are having. The list that we published is reliable, and it is already
reference anywhere in the world, thanks to serious and responsible a work
that we do here.
I also say to them that the DXCPR is not a club of a man only, the
difference is in which here single we have voluntary collaborators and we
did not receive anything to participate, is a work in favor of the DX and
nothing else, then, a mini foundation in that accusation of plagiarism does
not exist. One is the continuity of a work that badly was directed and that
is a serious defect of the DXCB, if you enter there with new ideas, they do
not admit it, it is necessary to be in everything in agreement with them.
It was by that reason that I moved away of them, to be able to make a work
of quality
73
MARCELO VILELA BEDENE
CURITIBA-PR-BRASIL
PX5G6444 (Off-Road)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DX CLUBE DO PARAN? (DXCPR)
http://www.dxclube.com.br
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SKYPE:mbedene4404
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbedene/sets/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Willi Passmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Rocco Cotroneo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "HCDX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [HCDX] New Perseus Databases
> Hi Rocco,
>
> thanks for your mail which gave new information to me. However, I think
> this is a matter that should be discussed between you and Marcelo Bedene.
> I do not claim any rights regarding the content of the lists collected in
> the Perseus Databases. I see my task in combining frequency lists (of
> course with permission of the publisher), and to add functions like
> displaying sunrise / sunset times and distance, as well as receiver
> operation for the Perseus.
>
> As I did not know any background of the DXCB - DXCP issue until now, I do
> not feel well prepared for any final judgement. When I downloaded your
> list some minutes ago (Link 1 gives a 404-error, btw) I noticed that the
> list is from 2007 and does not contain any coordinates which are essential
> for the above mentioned calculations.
> But I offer to add your list to the Perseus Databases. Just send an Excel
> file to me and much more DXers will be able to take notice of your work.
> Let them decide what list they prefer.
> What do you think?
>
> vy 73
> Willi
>
>
> Rocco Cotroneo schrieb:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Willi Passmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> a new version of the Perseus databases is available at
>> http://www.4shared.com/dir/5567845/166a39bd/sharing.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Willi
>> just to inform you that Bedene's list (DXCP is a sort of one-man club)
>> is basically a Excel copy of the Brazilian Medium Wave list which has
>> been edited for years by the Dx Clube do Brasil, with a few more bells
>> and whistles.
>> Our list - used and acknowledged by hundreds of Mw dxers around the
>> world - is now at its Fourth edition.
>> http://www.ondascurtas.com/listasemissorasmw.asp
>>
>> I understand that Bedene's list is suitable for your software purpose. I
>> just wanted to let you know how his work has been done without giving any
>> credit to probably over 90 per cent of his entries, and dozens of our
>> collaborators in the past eight years.
>>
>> Rocco Cotroneo
>> Dx Clube do Brasil
>>
>
------------------------------
Message: 16
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:07:30 -0300
From: "Marcelo Bedene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HCDX] New Perseus Databases
To: "Willi Passmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi Willi
I would like to clarify some things:
In first place, to say that all is a great lie in this discussion.
The list that the Rocco corrected was a sweeping, all old fashioned and full
one of inaccuracies.
Desire that you know that I let participate exactly in the DXCB, by the
incompetence of the directive cupola, mainly of Mr. Rocco that published a
list that updated every 3 years. Towards long time I insisted so that the
list was updated but assiduously and never they took care of my request.
I proposed a new project for the DXCB in mayo/2007 (this list that we are
using was the one that we sent to them) and did not accept, mainly Mr. Rocco
that was scared to lose the paternity of the list. I proposed to them then,
to work together and they did not accept either. It was there that I
separated completely of group DXCB and we created the DXCPR
www.dxclube.com.br and a new list, in new format and updated day to day.
After all, that is the reason of a list, to maintain updated information.
Therefore, an update every 3 years does not have sense.
In the DXCPR we have some collaborators who send the information to us of
several regions of all the country, but the greater work I do, spending
money in telephone calls for the transmitters, consulting with the people in
charge of the transmitters in all Brazil. I like much to do this; I am a
lover of the OM.
We have a list with many members and about 300 posts per month
http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/dxclube/
It is enough with crossing posts, to verify the hundreds of updates that I
already did, sending the list for different forums anywhere in the world.
Clear that this it is an enormous country, of continental dimensions and
always it will be possible to find some error in the list.
I recently download a copy of the list published by DXCB and I noticed that
now he is exactly equal to my list with minimum errors to my favor. They are
taking advantage of the spreading my updates and simply, correcting the list
of them. Simply ridiculous.
I only know that they are dying of jealousy, by the good repercussion that
we are having. The list that we published is reliable, and it is already
reference anywhere in the world, thanks to serious and responsible a work
that we do here.
I also say to them that the DXCPR is not a club of a man only, the
difference is in which here single we have voluntary collaborators and we
did not receive anything to participate, is a work in favor of the DX and
nothing else, then, a mini foundation in that accusation of plagiarism does
not exist. One is the continuity of a work that badly was directed and that
is a serious defect of the DXCB, if you enter there with new ideas, they do
not admit it, it is necessary to be in everything in agreement with them.
It was by that reason that I moved away of them, to be able to make a work
of quality
73
MARCELO VILELA BEDENE
CURITIBA-PR-BRASIL
PX5G6444 (Off-Road)
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DX CLUBE DO PARAN? (DXCPR)
http://www.dxclube.com.br
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Willi Passmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Rocco Cotroneo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "HCDX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [HCDX] New Perseus Databases
> Hi Rocco,
>
> thanks for your mail which gave new information to me. However, I think
> this is a matter that should be discussed between you and Marcelo Bedene.
> I do not claim any rights regarding the content of the lists collected in
> the Perseus Databases. I see my task in combining frequency lists (of
> course with permission of the publisher), and to add functions like
> displaying sunrise / sunset times and distance, as well as receiver
> operation for the Perseus.
>
> As I did not know any background of the DXCB - DXCP issue until now, I do
> not feel well prepared for any final judgement. When I downloaded your
> list some minutes ago (Link 1 gives a 404-error, btw) I noticed that the
> list is from 2007 and does not contain any coordinates which are essential
> for the above mentioned calculations.
> But I offer to add your list to the Perseus Databases. Just send an Excel
> file to me and much more DXers will be able to take notice of your work.
> Let them decide what list they prefer.
> What do you think?
>
> vy 73
> Willi
>
>
> Rocco Cotroneo schrieb:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Willi Passmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> a new version of the Perseus databases is available at
>> http://www.4shared.com/dir/5567845/166a39bd/sharing.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Willi
>> just to inform you that Bedene's list (DXCP is a sort of one-man club)
>> is basically a Excel copy of the Brazilian Medium Wave list which has
>> been edited for years by the Dx Clube do Brasil, with a few more bells
>> and whistles.
>> Our list - used and acknowledged by hundreds of Mw dxers around the
>> world - is now at its Fourth edition.
>> http://www.ondascurtas.com/listasemissorasmw.asp
>>
>> I understand that Bedene's list is suitable for your software purpose. I
>> just wanted to let you know how his work has been done without giving any
>> credit to probably over 90 per cent of his entries, and dozens of our
>> collaborators in the past eight years.
>>
>> Rocco Cotroneo
>> Dx Clube do Brasil
>>
>
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