Agree, though "out of the box" must move quickly to a value product. There
has been some comment that the user has to be the controlling factor in the
interface. To some degree that is true, though "user" needs definition - is
it the owner-user, the data entry staff, or the management - a difficult
question.
I ask new staff what they expect their salary will reflect. The answer is
almost universally - work. I don't intend to pay for work, that's their
first orientation. What I will pay for is value. Work can become serious
waste, when it contains errors that have to be re-done. Ignoring efficient
entry technique creates little value. Weekly staff meeting agenda lists
value as the first topic.
VistA is a value added product hard to replicate in our market.
Thanks,
thurman
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Anthracite
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 10:11 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] How to access ScreenMan
>
> I personally have no doubt that in almost anything, the shortcut keys are
> superior for speed, but for the new user, point and click is the way to go
> because they will understand that "out of the box". It seems to me that
> true gurus with applications, even in Windows, do not want to waste the
> time
> reaching for a mouse.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Thurman Pedigo
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 11:52 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] How to access ScreenMan
>
>
> In windows vernacular there is term "shortcut keys" that takes GUI back to
> the keyboard. I once had a guy working for me who always used the point
> and
> click method. He typed about 100wpm, I typed about 20wpm. In a "shoot out"
> that involved quite a bit of "cut & paste" I beat him by a significant
> margin. This was on MSWindows of course.
>
> ScreenMan handles "pop-ups" admirably. We use programmable "short cut
> keys"
> extensively in ScreenMan. The robustness of short cut keys depends on the
> "terminal emulator" used. We use a product, usually emulating VT320,
> called
> SecureNetterm, which has pretty good features, including encryption.
>
> Thanks,
>
> thurman
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Dal Molin
> > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:14 AM
> >
> > Thinking out loud...while everyone is indeed going to GUI it is worth
> > thinking twice about its efficiency in certain applications like
> > registration... makes me wonder whether anyone has done a time and
> > motion study on this?
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> > On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 06:59, Hazami, Raied wrote:
> > > Admin > Nancy, I don't think he is referring to the editor.
> > >
> > > - Is there different kinds of ScreenMan!
> > >
> > >
> > > Beza> I think it is certainly unfortunate that screenman is not used
> > Beza>
> > > more. I'm glad it has found a fan.
> > >
> > > - Exactly, I don't see any advantage in using Scrolling Mode instead
> of
> > > ScreenMan. The whole world is going GUI!
> > >
> > >
> > > And as far as Tutorial, I read the attached chapter with "FileMan
> > Getting
> > > Started Guide", it was very good, however, the confuse was in knowing
> > the
> > > position of ScreenMan in VistA!
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> > > ----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > Thurman
> > > Pedigo
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:12 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] How to access ScreenMan
> > >
> > >
> > > To get to ScreenMan D ^XUP then after login type "DDS" and you should
> > see a
> > > list of options one being "DDS SCREENMAN MENU" . Select ScreenMan and
> > you
> > > have the menu.
> > >
> > > Fil is correct. For some reason ScreenMan doesn't appear popular with
> > VA,
> > > so you won't see many ScreenMan options. I, on the other hand, find it
> > > extremely useful and use it extensively in our system. There is a very
> > > helpful ScreenMan tutorial worth doing. Let me know if you can't find
> > it.
> > > After doing the tutorial take a look at option XQOPED. Test it.
> Analyze
> > it.
> > > It does a great job of presenting the versatility of ScreenMan. I
> should
> > add
> > > that while ScreenMan does a very nice job of presenting a nice
> interface
> > for
> > > terminal emulation VT320, it is NOT a windows type GUI. However, it
> lets
> > you
> > > navigate very nicely.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Feel free to email off list if you want to discuss ScreenMan further.
> I
> > > don't think ScreenMan has many supporters on this list and see no need
> > of
> > > using their bandwidth.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > thurman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> > > ----
> > >
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Beza,
> > Fil
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:51 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] How to access ScreenMan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Second question, is ScreenMan able to view any module, such as Lab and
> > > Pharmacy.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nancy, I don't think he is referring to the editor.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyway, if you are referring to the the same screenman I'm thinking
> of,
> > the
> > > answer to your question is yes but I don't know of any predefined
> > screens
> > > that are distributed with FOIA so that means you have to build your
> own.
> > > Screenman did not catch on with the VA application programmer
> community.
> > > List Manager - a predecessor of ScreenMan - is used in quite a few
> > clinical
> > > applications. It's a way to present the user with a screen's worth of
> > data
> > > instead of roll and scroll without CPRS GUI.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> > > ----
> > >
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Nancy
> > > Anthracite
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:19 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] How to access ScreenMan
> > >
> > > I forgot to mention that you can set ScreenMan as your preferred
> editor
> > in
> > > the New Person file when you set yourself up as the system manager.
> > There is
> > > a lot more that can be done with ScreenMan, but I am not familiar with
> > how
> > > that is done so I hope someone else, like Thurman, will comment about
> > that.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > Hazami,
> > > Raied
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:52 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [Hardhats-members] How to access ScreenMan
> > >
> > > I have SemiViva 0.4 installed and I know how to run the listener until
> I
> > get
> > > in to this point:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > GTM>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know that I can type D Q^DI to get in to FileMan, but I would like
> to
> > use
> > > ScreenMan.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Second question, is ScreenMan able to view any module, such as Lab and
> > > Pharmacy.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Third question I typed the following:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > GTM> D ^XUP
> > >
> > > Access Code:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What is the access code for this?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Raeid
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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