Hi, I agree with Marc, and let me offer my Malaysian 7.8 cents equivalent. According to Dr. Lester Thurow, there is only one quantum leap in technology - From the Pony Express to the Telegraph. He described the Internet as merely "Telegraph with Pictures". He is still waiting for the real next 'Quantum Leap'.
I was a Cobol programmer in 1983. How i was king! It was monolithic, structured and i could control everything with my eyes close (exaggeration). I was even awarded the Data General Malaysia Award of the Year! (true, it shows how much i was in control back then, *sniggers* and *sobs*!). Today my madam Cobol is back *sniggers again* Java is not only bitter, but highly abstracted Nescafe, where most of the time i wanted to wring out the wirings just to get to the engine (the real aroma). And the branded visual name "Java" doesn't help a techie that goes out with unattractive CLIs rather than sexy Gnomes. I worship branding but isnt the name "M" even more non-visual than "MUMPS"? And "GTM", i only came across this last week, and i said to myself "Wow! Another ancient language! It is been there all this while,..doing great stuff,.. OLTP! Yahoo! I m saved!). Let me take one step back - I think the guy who first said that GT.M is 'oh-oh!', is just a mag reading parrot rather than a technical whiz that i would keep company for inspiration. No offence intended to his quoter :). (Well, just in case i step one a teeny claw here, lets take it offline *chuckles* (pardon my colonial influenced humour here, helps me laugh at the world of paradoxes, which u need when u go thru three generations of computing):)) red1 cyber-journalist, dude. http://red1.org --- Marc Aylesworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vista is not old technology because of the language > that it is written > in. Vists is called old technology because it only > has crude user > interfaces that are text based. It was designed a > long time ago and > there is still code that is based on the assumptions > of a time that used > linited resourses and had no / poor network > connections, and was > developed in a governmental entity were things are > also done because of > politics. M seems like a good solid language for > writing databases > (which most of the people on this list will agree > Vista is). C\C++are > legacy languages but is still used for many > programs. IMHO what we need > to do with Vista is examine what we want out of it, > that should not take > long because it does so much. Look at some of the > problem areas and come > up with solutions. Vista now tries to do it all it > serves as a DB > management tool, Front end presentaion tool, and > network communication > tool. This most likely should be separated and put > into different > places. The undelying code should not be tied to the > presentation of the > data. We do not need to rewrite all of Vista but we > need to take a look > under the hood and see if the assumptions that were > there when the code > was designed still hold true. Remember, Oracle, DB2 > even CACHE I belive > uses ODBC or JBDC to do the network communication > and uses Visual Basic > or Java to do the presentation, let's look at the > whole picture and > start with a good design using all that has been > learned in the past to > rewrite a good product using as much of what we > already have to create a > newly designed great product of he future. > > (holy crap is this ever longer than I thought it > would be) > > > Thank you, > > Marc Aylesworth > On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:23 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news > stories library > > Kevin, > > You are battling an age-old predjudice against M. It > seems M was > considered "old technology" (by the un-informed), > before it was old ! I > think alot of the predjudice goes back to the poorly > chosen (IMO) name > of MUMPS, for the language. > Had it has been named "Laser" or maybe just "M" in > the beginning, it > might have enjoyed a different trajectory. > > Certainly the biggest M vendor understands the > marketing difficulties > with system based on MUMPS. One has to look hard for > any references to > it in their marketing material. Instead, it is > called post-relational, > object oriented, and multi-dimensional. All of which > is true. > > > Kevin Toppenberg wrote: > > Someone from my group was grumbling recently that > VistA is going to be > > > a bad option for our group because is it "old > technology." > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ _______________________________________________ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
