I added the "+bookmarks" . Perhaps bookmark management is as close to the desktop as M can get with wide personal following (judging by the number of projects at sourceforge and freshmeat. Since most folks on this list would be inclined to run at least a test server, it would be logical and "promotional" for hardhats folks to have&run a bookmark manager (web server) and debate its attributes just the same as Vista is debated. Of course bookmark management is a true organization problem when the user roams to various workstations and needs access to that collection....so such could become a bonafide VistA feature.
Here is the blurb from Site Bar:
"SiteBar is a multi-user, multi-group bookmark server that lets users view, add, import, and maintain bookmarks from anywhere. It offers enterprise-quality access rights and granular permissions. Corporations can use it as a complete intranet bookmark solution."
Sounds to me like M Fileman could offer that too with some addons, but regardless of whether some other open source solution could be deployed , it would be interesting to have that data into a mumps database.
Regarding additional features like archiving the actual content of selected URL's:
If this is a mandated problem to be solved, it would be a good exercise of the M database.
I would be interested in archives that are built with active selection and which are then consulted as a reference/filter. The original purpose of wwwoffle was for wholesale archiving (on/off for time blocks) to reduce or compensate for intermittent online access with proxy.
I am more concerned with the mandate to store important content against attrition (despite such "archives" as google), for rare usage offline, and also for annotation (if its worth commenting it is worth having the original reference locally).
Maybe a crawling/monitor function would be useful, but I am mostly thinking of the user as the crawler and the application as an assistant in archiving. Since the price of diskspace is not the barrier the entire barrier to archiving is management:
aids at first encountering content are most important and later retrieval has some ergonomic issues if it is to be blended with ongoing web use.
Despite large amounts of static content,it is not uncommon for later retrieval to be so delayed that the content has moved or removed and one piece of metatdata that google doesnt (yet) maintain for individuals is the date when "you" visited that valuable hit you are searching for again.
What types of browsing aids and content tools are important to you personally or to your institution?
Rusty
Jim Self wrote:
Rusty Maynard wrote:
Jim, A bookmark manager server app could serve as a separate learning space for *daily use* to teach by example (serving programmers and newcomers alike). It probably serves as another small vehicle for M revival rather than aiding VistA expansion.
I agree. One of my hopes in sharing M2Web is to give M programmers and VistA programmers an easy (or at least manageable) path of adaptation to a modern technology that is highly scalable and cross-platform so that they can incrementally extend the skills and knowledge they have built up rather than backing up and starting over.
A brief search of "bookmark" on the projects at sourceforge pulls up expected hits; only one of which is a web server design running
PHP/MysQL. Perhaps none of these are an infrastructure for adding
features of URL content storage, functioning as a selective,filtering
proxy web server (somewhat like wwwoffle).
I am not sure that I understand all of your project requirements, but it sounds like you want much more than just keeping track of links to web pages with notes and other data fields entered by a user. Am I right in inferring that you also want something of a web crawler to gather and periodically update a collection of multiple versions of the content of the linked pages with diffs from one update to the next?
I thank you for responding to my "pipe dream" with M2Web or other agnostic or polytheist tools.
The first thing, which attracted me to this thread and which I don't yet understand is: howto setup a fully functioning Fileman on GTM. I need something that summarizes the contributions and pitfalls that are found earlier on this thread (plus digressions of teaching between the lines).
With that in hand I really need to start with those simple database exercises (like sorting colors by numeric hue and by alphaname). Then I could pursue this bookmark application that is personal use and daily use on a scale smaller than VistA. Still, bookmark/URL storage are just another rendition of all the issues that surround medical records.
Rusty
Jim Self wrote:
Rusty, If you are willing to put a little effort into realizing this dream, I
can help - possibly a lot.
To start with, two of the applications included with M2web already
include much of
the functionality that you need, an easy facility to enter and index
notes with rich HTML
content into a MUMPS database from anywhere on the web. Both are very
small and relatively
simple applications that could be used as a starting point for learning
about web
programming or taken as a foundation for something more complex and
sophisticated.
Jim.
Rusty Maynard wrote
I want to add one more "pipe dream" on this thread about purposes for running Fileman and a mumps database outside of VistA . My goals of learning (and WV goals of M recruitment) might be aided by daily use of something less intimidating than Vista and with a more limited data dictionary (nor does 24/7 banking qualify as a personal enterprise) ...but what about a *bookmark manager* .....
--------------------------------------- Jim Self Systems Architect, Lead Developer VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis (http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself)
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