Mumps is not hard to learn. There is no motivation to learn a language in school or other places unless it is going to be useful, face it Mumps is a niche language for writing databases. There is no reason for newer developers to learn Mumps so there is no reason for schools to teach it. When I went to a training class for Mumps 3-4 yrs ago there were 4 students and three of them were from the VA and wanted to learn Mumps so they could extract info out of Vista to put it into a relational DB like SQL2000. The developers are going to use what they know and right now there is no push from anyone to change.
Thanks Marc Aylesworth C3I Associates AFRL/IFSE Joint Battlespace Infosphere Team 525 Brooks Rd Rome, NY 13441-4505 Tel:315.330.2422 Fax:315.330.7009 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:08 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] MDC Revival Oh, that's easy: MUMPS is hard to learn because 2+3*4 = 20. :-) Can you think of even one other language (using infix notation, that is) where this is true? (Okay, okay, I don't know MIIS, but it might be an exception.) --- "Sowinski, Richard J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When did everyone get so dumb ? You learned M. I learned M. When did > it all > of a sudden get so difficult to learn it ? > Are you saying we were smarter than the upcoming generation ? I don't > think > so. > > The real problem with Vista right now is not the language. It is the > shear > size of it, and the rat's nest of poorly documented code > under the hood, which is the result of years of patching already > patched > code. I liken it to a huge wad of gum. > > A redesign in M is as valid as a redesign in any other language. In > fact, it > would be much simpler. VA already has the installed base, > and the in-house expertise. > > We'll find out 10 years from now (maybe) when the current redesign is > finished, how well it works , and how many people it takes to > support it. > > Oh yeah, by the way, outsourcing has worked really well. CoreFLS was > a grand > success. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > steven > mcphelan > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:06 AM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] MDC Revival > > > I believe Cameron's statement about the VA management not being able > to back > off of migrating to a newer platform is probably very close to the > truth. > However, I am sure that there were some real business management > decisions > made (or at least I hope so). I saw an article recently that > estimated that > 40-50% of the current VA IT staff will be retiring in the next 5 > years. If > I was a manager of VA IT I would be very concerned about that. I > would > seriously consider moving my technology to a platform that enables me > to > recruit competent IT staff without having to rely on in-house > training for > the next generation of VA IT support. I would even consider > technology that > is inferior to my current technology as long as the new technology > meets my > needs and gives me greater flexibilty in personnel matters or provide > me the > opportunity to competitively outsource some IT functions. > > ===== A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli ==== Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click _______________________________________________ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click _______________________________________________ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
