Mark,

Comments below:

--- Mark Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Whoa, quite a bit here...
> 
> 1.  Windows bites, do it our way or the highway.

Yes, I agree.  And do it our way, that we obfuscate...

> 2.  Samba - Get yourself the book by John Terpstra -
> Samba 3 By Example - 
> Practical Exercises to Successful Deployment.
> and/or 
> Download my smb.conf tutorial file and have a go at
> joining that domain....
> http://oswizards.com/samba-instruct.conf
> If you would like I can give you access to one of my
> Linux Admin courses 
> online.  You can study the Samba material to see if
> it clarifies things a 
> little.  Samba is a huge subject, especially if you
> are going to deploy with 
> 500+ uses.  I highly recommend the book. 

Thanks.  I may need to come back and take you up on
this offer.

> 
> I don't think that will solve your problems though,
> you need to backup the 
> Linux server.
> 3.  See number 2 above.
> 4.  You can share your private key/identity with the
> client and you will not 
> have to supply a password when you execute your
> command.  You could do this 
> with linux boxes easy, windows would be a hassle. 
> In Linux I could issue the 
> command,  scp -r /var/data/*
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:mydata/
> 
I didn't know this.  If you share the key, then it
won't even ask for the password?  That's great.  I
went to great hassle to make an expect script to enter
the password for me.  Your way would have been much
better.  

> 5.  Oh yeah... you could install a DVD writer, CDR
> or an additional HDD or 
> both.

Regarding DVD, the text I have read states that one
can put a linux filesystem (i.e. ex3(?) ), but that it
would be only readable from another linux box.  It
sounds like that would be perfect for a backup
situation.  Expecially if I were to do snapshots like
you mention below.  What do you think?

> 
> Here are a couple tools for you.  Mondo Resuce 
> http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/about/about.html
> 
> I use another command line program from a cron job
> called rdiff-backup - 
> http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/  It can take a
> snapshot of your 
> filesystem whenever you tell it to, it also keeps
> diffs on all files that 
> have been changed since the last backup.  You can
> actually restore a file 
> from a specific date and time.  I snapshot at 3:10am
> onto a spare drive in 
> the machine, I also snapshot my databases every
> hour.  You can use Mondo to 
> create an entire system backup onto CD, HDD, NFS or
> DVD - 
>
http://www.ccp14.ac.uk/ccp14admin/linux-server/mondorescue/dvd_mondo.html
> 
> 
> Keep yourself clear of Windows and your choices will
> be plentiful and your  
> difficulty will be diminished.
> 
> Setup another Linux Samba Server for the Windows
> clients/users to store their 
> data on, then back that one up with the tools above.

An interesting idea.  But we have a purchased solution
with an oracle database.  I don't want to get into the
middle of moving that to a linux box.  Especially when
I don't have my own backup working yet.  :-)

> 
> 
> Have Fun!!!... and test your backups regularly to
> make sure you are indeed 
> backing up your data.

Good advice.

Thanks for your input, Mark.  I appreciate it.  And
also for the links.

Kevin



> 
> On Sunday 20 March 2005 14:36, Kevin Toppenberg
> wrote:
> > I know this question is a bit off-topic for the
> board.
> >  If you all have a better place for me to ask,
> just
> > let me know.
> >
> > I need a reliable backup solution for my linux
> server.
> >  Here are methods I have explored, unsuccessfully
> so
> > far.  Let me first mention that our office also
> has a
> > new Windows Server running our billing package. 
> My
> > initial thoughts were to copy my linux data to the
> > Windows server, and then let their backup process
> save
> > my data.
> >
> > 1. Install Services for Linux (SFU) put out by
> Windows
> > onto our Windows server.  I then created a NFS
> share.
> > I can view the directory contents of the Windows
> share
> > from my linux box, but for the life of me I can't
> get
> > write permission.  You have to run a Windows
> > namemapper to map linux users to Windows users,
> and
> > then give that user write permission.  Sounds
> easy.  I
> > can't get it to work.  The permission system on
> NTFS
> > is a bit complex to me.
> >
> > 2. Run a Samba server on my linux box.  When I do
> > this, I can see the drive from a Windows laptop,
> and I
> > might even be able to write to it (I can't
> remember).
> > But when I try to find the file when browsing from
> the
> > Windows Server, I can't find it.  Not sure if I
> have
> > to join Windows "domain" to work.  This descends
> into
> > a murky realm for me of ActiveDirectories.  Also,
> I'm
> > not sure if my iptables is filtering out the samba
> > ports etc.
> >
> > 3. Run a Samba client on my linux box.  I haven't
> > tried this, but again I worry that I would have to
> > discover how to join the Windows "domain" and be
> > validated.
> >
> > 4. Get scp to work on my Windows server, and scp
> the
> > needed data up.  This would probably work, but I
> would
> > need to use and 'expect' script to supply the
> password
> > etc if it is going to be automated.  This seems a
> bit
> > klunky, and will probably be my last resort.
> >
> > 5. Install a DVD writer on my linux box.  This is
> what
> > I am currently trying to do.  I successfully
> installed
> > a new USB 2.0 IO card, and have now plugged the
> drive
> > in.  I'm lost as to what to do now.  I have read
> > multiple web sites, and I'm overwhelmed.  Right
> off
> > the bat the install demos talk about possible
> kernel
> > upgrades etc.  It seems that cdrtools is one route
> to
> > use.  I would have to purchase a commercial
> license.
> > The money is not such an issue, but I would want
> to be
> > sure it was going to work.
> >
> > 6. Purchase and install tape backup system for the
> > linux box.  This may well be a great options, but
> I
> > have no experience with this.
> >
> >
> > If anyone has any helpful thoughts or pointers
> (esp
> > regarding option 5 above), I would be very
> grateful.
> -- 
> Mark Street, RHCE
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