At least with VistA on GT.M, I am not aware of any reason not to have people sign in with their own Linux user ids.
-- Bhaskar -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Wed 5/25/2005 4:42 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Question on updating the database Oh...I completely agree that wonderful things can be made in M (or in Java, or in Python, or ...) Really, I think M is quite a remarkable language. My point was not to disparage it at all. BTW, Normal setup for a VistA system is to have a single (Linux) user that everyone uses when the sign on. In principle, if everyone signed in as themselves, then finer grained access control at the OS level should be a possibility. --- Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree. But this is not to say that wonderful things > can't be made with M. One just has to work harder to > be careful. > > Kevin > > > --- James Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I may be misunderstanding something, but isn't the > > main problem that there > > is no way to force encapsulation in Mumps. Even if > > developers create well > > designed public entry points/API's for a package, it > > is always possible for > > a Mumps programmer to bypass the official method for > > using the entry points > > for a package. It seems the problem is inherent to > > Mumps, not VistA. > > Jim Gray > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gregory Woodhouse" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Question on updating > > the database > > > > > > > You're absolutely right. There are many serious > > problems with VistA as it > > > exists today, of which this is but one. What I > > find incredibly > > > frustrating (not to mention foolish) is that in > > the name of advancing > > > VistA we so often turn a blind eye to these types > > of issues, or even deny > > > that they are real problems. I can understand not > > wanting to see it > > > abandoned, but ignoring issues such as this is not > > the right way to > > > advance the technology. I believe we would be much > > better off developing > > > new modules that build on what we've learned from > > VistA (and that's a > > > LOT) and which interoperate with the existing > > product to the extent that > > > is possible. Unfortunately, this is an approach > > that tends to be > > > dismissed out of hand as being nothing more than a > > euphemistic way of > > > speaking of wholesale abandonment of the > > technology. > > > > > > === > > > Gregory Woodhouse > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > "Before one gets the right answer, one must ask > > the right question." -- > > > S. Barry Cooper > > > > > > > > > On May 24, 2005, at 6:28 PM, Kevin Toppenberg > > wrote: > > > > > >> I hear you. My point, though, is not that > > tedious > > >> work is necessary. But rather that one has a > > fragile > > >> system indeed if one rouge programmer can cause > > havok. > > >> When I work with the Microsoft Word OLE/COM > > object, > > >> there is NOTHING that I can do to that code that > > will > > >> harm that code. *IT* controls what happens > > within its > > >> boundries/domain/module. > > >> > > >> VistA/M seems to have essentially two levels of > > >> security. Programmer level, and then user level. > > >> Once someone has programmer access, they can do > > >> ANYTHING. This can be good and bad. > > >> > > >> I just had a flashback to Marty quoting that > > >> programming with other structured languages was > > like > > >> holding hands with your girlfriend at the Sunday > > >> social. While M was like having sex with your > > best > > >> friend's girlfirend on the back of a motorcycle. > > i.e. > > >> wild, dangerous, and perhaps a lot of fun. > > >> > > >> LOL! > > >> > > >> Kevin > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. > > > Introducing Yahoo! 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