Yes, the proof is in the pudding, regardless of how it was made. VA providers are used to a certain responsiveness and if that suffers there'll be hell to pay.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Richardson Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:56 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == Greg; What I was saying is that the type of study you are talking about can probably never be done because; 1) The study you are asking for costs money, (the money has to come from somewhere), 2) Vendors won't spend the money because they know the outcome, 3) Legally running such a suite of test puts you at risk for breach of contract with the vendor's code if you try to publish the outcome.. Others have done these benchmarks, but they are constrained from publishing the results by their user contracts. Perhaps there is a user community out there who will fund such a benchmark or construct a compute-off competition?? So we are stuck with anecdotal evidence and personal experience and actual satisfaction of the end customer (after all, isn't this last item what we are all working towards?). Let me tell you, if I am on the table of an Emergency Room, I don't want the excuses I hear complaints about a slow system. I want the best decision possible based of the most complete medical record my doctor can get. Thus far MUMPS-based systems continue to perform with up-time, reliability, speed, adaptability, over-all cost, and just getting the job done. If a fraction of the money thrown at other solutions could be spent of new MUMPS development, imagine what could be done. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Woodhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == > I agree. Most vendors don't pay much attention to the existence of > MUMPS in their marketing literature. But that's a different issue: my > point was that it's necessary to go beyond anecdotal evidence if you > want to make rigorous claims about which type of system is faster. > From a practical point of view, anecdotal evidence (It worked for > me), may be just fine, but it doesn't really answer the kinds of > questions a scientific analysis would need to address. > > === > Gregory Woodhouse > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement > of everyday thinking." -- Albert Einstein > > > On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:43 PM, Chris Richardson wrote: > > > Greg; > > > > I am pointing out that the vendors do not publish such figures > > because > > the outcomes are attocious for comparisions with other technologies > > they > > hope to supress. The paper was published over 5 years ago and I am > > a bit > > hazy on the specific figures, but those figures and the testing > > constraints > > were published. These results are correct in the magnetudes, but I > > am a bit > > hazy on the details. But if someone else might have that article, > > we might > > put it up on hardhats for review. > > > > Also remember that the MUG Quarterly was a user group > > publication and not > > the IEEE. I think that it is a sad state when the vendors can't put > > together a reasonable set of benchmarks to let the truth be known. > > Also > > remember that Kaiser in Northern California just stopped a ten year > > project > > to install Oracle in favor of another MUMPS solution. Southern > > California > > Kaiser never changed off of MUMPS technology. Hard to beat the > > ecconomies > > of scale. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput > a projector? 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