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-----Mensaje original----- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Greg Woodhouse Enviado el: Martes, 16 de Agosto de 2005 12:16 p.m. Para: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Asunto: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Learn Mumps That it is, but learn MUMPS and Fileman will deinitely help if you want to understand what is going on. I still recommend Prof. Walter's book. Remember, also, that MUMPS is an old language, so old material is not necessarily out of date. The standard hasn't been updated in a decade. Different products will, of course, include proprietary extensions, but the language does not change at nearly the pace of (say) Java. --- Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First, realize that VistA is a huge / complex software package. You > will likely never master it. No one does. But you can learn about > the parts you need to work with. What I found was to simply keep > trying to solve the problem at hand, and slowly the understanding > will > come. General concepts that you will eventuallyl pick up will be: > > 1. The M language and its primary data type, the "global" that is > extremely powerful. > 2. The use of Fileman, the database management system used by VistA > 3. The complex and cryptic nature of the available documentation. > 4. How the different packages in VistA fit together, many of which > one > might never need (e.g. HIV tracking etc) > > For starters, you might find my old web site helpful. > http://www.geocities.com/kdtop3/ > > Other users have also been adding installation instructions on the > wikki > http://www.worldvista.org/Documentation/worldvistawiki > > In the links section, there is a reference to this page (M/Mumps > language reference): > http://www.jacquardsystems.com/Examples/ > I have found it quite helpful while learning the language. > > So don't worry too much about not being able to see the forrest > because of the trees. The forrest is just too big. So focus on that > tree that is blocking your way. > > Your experience may be different from mine. I tend to go about > things > the hard way, but it took me several months of following rote > instructions until things started fitting together for me. > > Welcome > Kevin > > > On 8/16/05, Christoph Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi All: > > > > I am a total newcomer to VistA and Mumps and I am not sure whether > this > > is the right forum to ask my question, but nevertheless... > > > > I have recently started to download and install VistA on a Windows > XP > > machine and got stuck somewhere and joined this mailing list to get > some > > advice on how to get unstuck (which I have received, thank you). > What > > bugs me with the installation is that I am just blindly following > the > > installation procedure without actually knowing what is going on. I > have > > been following the various threads in this list for a while and was > > > wondering whether you guys can give me some advice on what the best > > > resources are to get my head around what is going on inside of > VistA? > > Obviously, I know about the WorldVista and HardHats websites. > > > > I am not at all averse to learning Mumps if that is the best way to > > > proceed. I tried to find some books online on the subject but every > book > > I saw seemed very old. What recommendations can anyone give me > about > > resources that will help me get up to speed on VistA and/or Mumps. > I > > have programmed before - in Fortran (a long time ago), in C, and in > > > Perl. I have also dabbled in C++ and Java. > > > > Of course, any advice is greatly appreciated. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Christoph > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle > Practices > > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * > Testing & QA > > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * > http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Hardhats-members mailing list > > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle > Practices > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing > & QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * > http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > _______________________________________________ > Hardhats-members mailing list > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > === Gregory Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Design quality doesn't ensure success, but design failure can ensure failure." --Kent Beck ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
