And I have said the same thing, repeatedly. --- David Sommers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A business reason has to exist for any company to spend money and > resources on "something". I think asking Red Hat to build you > something > for your benefit is one thing and making a business case for it is > another. In the case of GTM, you could look at it the same way the > Fedora Community does - we do as we please and we build what we want > for > our favorite distro. (Well, the people in the community can do that > - > Red Hat still uses it as a test bed of new technologies). > > If you muster up enough developer resources yourself (business plan > be > damned), you too can build the missing OSX version. I would never > fault > Fidelity for the missing OSX version. > > Another key point that I've made in the past and that Jason Essington > just made is Apple's shift to x86. If GTM has already been proven to > work under BSD then the Apple port (under x86) should be fairly > straightforward. You don't have to worry about the PPC architecture. > In my previous email, I linked to the Apple's site detailing the > architecture changes between standard BSD and their flavor of BSD. > > Another item that I hinted upon was Solaris' support for Linux > binaries > using a library compatibility layer. If Apple's smart (or a few > enthusiasts do it for them), it would be possible to offer a linux > binary compatibility layer between BSD and Linux. In another > scenario, > the Fink project gets really smart and they re-build the bins with > little work outside of the source. > > However you slice it, the idea for OSX support isn't dead. A team > can > either do the port or wait until the x86 switch to see all the new > possibilities. > > Personally, since the x86 is slated for next year - I would wait. > Even > if you ported it to the current OSX 10 on PPC - you'll have to do it > AGAIN for the x86 switch. > > /David. > > > David Sommers, Architect | Dialog Medical > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Greg > Woodhouse > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:25 PM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Starting point for next OpenVistA > VivA > > It's not the Mac per se. Lately, I haven't been terrible sanguine > about > running Linux and am much more interested in running OS X myself, but > that's a different issue from whether a business case could be made > for > running on the platform. Philosophically, I wish there were more > emphasis on building a product that could be run on a variety of > platfroms (proprietary or open source) than on one particular > platform, > but I think that puts me in the minority here. Having said that, I > certainly don't fault Fidelity for not making GT.M open source on > platforms other than Linux. In fact, I was very concerned that my > post > would be taken as a criticism of Fidelity for just that reason. > > --- "K.S. Bhaskar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Greg -- > > > > Thank you for your comments, as well as all the support you provide > > to > > members of this forum. Let me respond to your inputs: > > > > GT.M has so few dependencies that it runs on every current release > of > > every major distribution of x86 GNU/Linux that I know of. It has > > been > > run on SuSE, Gentoo, Debian, Red Hat, Fedora, Slackware, > Mandriva... > > There are too many Linux distributions for us to keep running in > > house > > and hence to support. If you hear of a Linux distribution on which > > it > > doesn't run, please bring it to my attention. > > > > It is possible to get GT.M (and hence VistA) to run on *BSD on x86 > > hardware (it has been reported as being done, and I previously > posted > > links). Sometimes I just have to make hard decisions about where > > I/we > > can spend the time providing support - since it not possible to > even > > keep up with Linux distributions. > > > > There is already GT.M for Sun SPARC Solaris, HP PA-RISC HP-UX, and > HP > > Alpha/AXP OpenVMS. However, it is not open source free software > (it > > is > > more traditionally licensed, and always more reasonably priced than > > alternatives, but not free). I would be happy to make available > > VistA > > on GT.M on any of those, or other supported, platforms on a free > > trial > > license to anyone who wants to evaluate it, but ultimately a GT.M > > license will need to be purchased. [Yes, go ahead, question my > > sanity. > > Why do I so vigorously advocate GT.M on x86 GNU/Linux where there > is > > no > > license revenue? Sometimes my management does too...] > > > > Since we have a GT.M for IBM pSeries AIX, it would be easy for us > to > > provide a GT.M for Mac OS X if there is a market demand. But I > can't > > make a credible business case to my executive management for an > open > > source free GT.M on Mac OS X. If anyone feels that they could > deploy > > a > > reasonable number of VistA systems on Mac OS X, please contact me > off > > line. > > > > I think that covers all major computing platforms. > > > > No, wait, I forgot. Isn't there something for commodity hardware > > from a > > small software company in the other Washington? Called something > > like > > Windows? > > > > Humor aside, I wish I could say more at this time about GT.M on > > Microsoft Windows, but I can't. For the moment, yes, I am > seriously > > thinking about an OpenVistA VivA based on Colinux+Debian or > > Puppy+QEMU. > > > > -- Bhaskar > > > > On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 00:29 -0500, Gregory Woodhouse wrote: > > > I assume your basic goal is to come up with something like a turn > > > key > > > solution. Is that a fair assumption? Going back to the network > > > effect > > > message, I don't know that marrying your solution to Debian, > > > Knoppix, > > > Red Hat, or what have you is the right way to go. It will be > easier > > > > > to get user "buy in" if the users feel they can use their > favorite > > > > > Linux distribution (or, while we're at it: What about Solaris, > > > HP/UX, > > > OS X, (Free|Open|Net)BSD, OpenDarwin, OpenVMS, or even Windows)? > > > === > > > Gregory Woodhouse > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > "A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his > > > forefathers. -- Benjamin Disraeli > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle > > Practices > > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * > Testing > > & QA > > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * > > http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Hardhats-members mailing list > > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > === > Gregory Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more > to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." > -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle > Practices > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing > & > QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * > http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > _______________________________________________ > Hardhats-members mailing list > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle > Practices > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing > & QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * > http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > _______________________________________________ > Hardhats-members mailing list > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > === Gregory Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
