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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Anthracite
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 9:05 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] VISTA- platforms -> name change
I am the one who had trouble with McAfee not allowing Cache to
work, and
just
turning it off was not enough. McAfee had to be completely
uninstalled,
but
I heard that the McAfee issue had been resolved. Unfortunatly, I
am not
sure
where I heard it, but I am sure technical support can confirm or deny
that.
I agree that especially considering I was using the free single user
download
of Cache, the technical support was both unexpected and
excellent. If I
recall correctly, this happened the first time I installed Cache.
This was
before I met Jim Pietila and some of the others at Intersystems
who I now
pester fairly regularly!
When we were in Boston at the WorldVistA meeting hosted by
Intersystems,
the
support was truly unbelievable. Folks shagged out of bed on
Sunday to
come
get things working for us, and that was only a small part of the
help we
were
given.
On Sunday 25 December 2005 05:42 pm, James Gray wrote:
I hope I am on the right wavelength and right message. I am not
aware of
problems between McAfee and Cache. What I have mentioned on this
list
before is that Zone Alarm breaks Cache. To be more precise
installing or
upgrading Cache with Zone Alarm running will cause things to get
screwed
up
in the install that cannot be fixed with a reinstall. I truly
never
understood the details. I also had problems with an upgrade of Zone
Alarm.
I will add that I think that Intersystems technical support for
users of
their free developers version of Cache is outstanding. That is
much more
than I can say for Zone Labs tech support. I do not know what if
any
problems there are with McAfee and Cache. Please do not confuse my
complaint about Zone Alarm with McAfee.
Jim Gray
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald Ponto
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] VISTA- platforms -> name change
I wish they would log the answer so I wouldn't have to
wait for
them
to answer the phone; I hate talking to Tech support.
-------Original Message-------
From: Nancy Anthracite
Date: 12/24/05 07:26:30
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] VISTA- platforms -> name
change
Also, call Intersystems Tech Support because I was told the
problem
with McAfee had been resolved.
On Saturday 24 December 2005 07:16 am, Ronald Ponto wrote:
I tried to setup VISTA but had a communication error (I am
using
Mcafee-which can cause a problem). I don't want to work
without a
firewall or virus screen so i went the other route. I downloaded
the GT-M
version and it downloaded pretty fast (I have a 100M connection).
After
downloading it I tried to write it to CD but my Easy CD Creator
wouldn't
work with the ISO file and I don't have any other way to read the
ISO
file.
So I have put it on the back-burner till after Christmas- I am
working
the
Christmas weekend including the government holiday which itself
is a mess
with Monday as the legal holiday.
Time to get off my soapbox.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays
Ron
-------Original Message-------
From: Thurman Pedigo
Date: 12/23/05 10:35:46
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] VISTA- platforms -> name
change
Though I don't want to turn this into a Cache/GT.M
shootout, I
find a
resonance in Greg's comments that deserves support. This
comment
should in no way be taken as criticism of the dedicated members
of this
list
who are quick to lend a helping hand, regardless of platform, to the
newbie
or people like me with experience in FileMan, though week in
coding and
plumbing the depths of VistA. I don't mention names to avoid
overlooking
important contributors - everyone here knows them.
In respect to Greg's comment - I find myself winnowing the
VistA
"specifics" from the Linux/GT.M posts of this list. I had a go at
Linux
GT.M
and decided that my time may best be spent getting a grip on
VistA in a
relatively familiar environment. I chose this route, correctly or
not,
over
whole-cloth conversion to Linux while still struggling with VistA.
I have spent a lot of time looking, in vain, for a
solution and
kept
this observation low-key, since I think raising a criticism without
offering
a solution is counterproductive. I am no closer to the solution
and only
want to voice the reminder that just becaue you don't hear it
doesn't
mean
the problem isn't there.
I haven't the wisdom to make a suggestion for change.
What I have
done is frequently remind myself that's just the way it is. Noone's
fault,
noone to blame, though for those limited to Win/Cache we need to
be a
little
more careful (efficient?) scanning our email.
Thanks,
thurman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
Greg Woodhouse Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:59 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] VISTA
--- "K.S. Bhaskar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Greg --
Normally, you are objective and reasoned.
Thanks. I'll grant that you did catch me on a bad day.
On this post, however, I
regret that I have several bones to pick with you. See below.
-- Bhaskar
On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 13:14 -0600, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
--- Ronald Ponto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The list does seem to have a preponderance of GT.M users,
but
VOE runs
[KSB] How I wish this were the case! Owing to the number of
VA
users and the extensive use of non-GT.M implementations of
MUMPS
within the VA, and owing to VOE, I think GT.M users are
probably
in a non-trivial
minority.
I'll grant you that VA personnel are not usually the ones to ask
questions here, but that seems neither here nor there. True, VA
medical centers do use Cache', but I don't know that I'd infer
that
new users are necessarily going to be adopters of one platform
over
the other. As an aside, I started to delete that sentence
(twice),
because I really do not means this to be a Cache' vs. GT.M or a
Fidelity vs. InterSystems type message. Both products (and
perhaps
others) ought to have a place on this list.
on Cache' not GT.M. Ironically, I might be more ready to use
GT.M
if
the list didn't seem so lop-sided on the GT.M side. I don't
have an
[KSB] It is probably a fair statement to say that there are
more
newbie
users of VistA on GT.M on this forum (and of course newbie
users
need more help and are more vocal than non-newbie users;
besides
people ask
questions where they find their questions are answered).
Yes. But isn't that what I was saying? That the focus of
discussion
here seems to be on GT.M. Maybe that's okay.
infinite amount of time, and certainly can't do everything
I'd
like,
but I think it would be very nice to see a portable
implementation that
could be distributed with VistA installed (even if not
completely configured). I am not at all happy with the way
Linux seems to be
the
only OS that anyone wants to use for development. Again, I
think I might be a bit more friendly to Linux if there were
more of a
balance
(and if the distribution weren't so "kute").
[KSB] Since I don't have the right to distribute Windows, or
OS
X, the
choice comes down to Linux and *BSD variants.
But there is nothing to stop you from installing *.msi files
(for
Windows) or *.mpkg files (for OS X). Is it really necessary to
distribute an entire OS to distribute VistA? If it is, I'd
submit
that we have some serious work to do, because that just
shouldn't
be.
I really don't have a
strong personal preference between them. However since (a) I
already had a GT.M on Linux, and (b) Linux live CDs came
before
*BSD live CDs, I
chose to release VistA on Linux. I felt that it was better to
do
what
little I could even if I couldn't do everything.
I certainly don't fault you for focusing on Linux. That's not
what
bothers me, it's the absence of anything else.
...
[KSB] A minor point, but your post suggests that Linux is not
a
commercial operating system. Open source free software like
Linux and
GT.M on Linux are very much commercial software. Only, the
licensing terms are different, and the GPL gives the licensee
more Freedom than traditional software licenses (see
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html for more an
essay on the topic).
I suppose I could have said "proprietary" rather than
"commercial".
Is that any better? I guess I tend to avoid terms like
proprietary
and closed source because they have derogatory overtones that
I'd
rather avoid.
For the record, I feel strongly enough about the importance of
VistA that I have offered more than once at the VistA
Community
Meetings and
the VistA Community Calls to teach anyone interested,
including
InterSystems, how to create a live CD of VistA on Cache. The
offer still stands.
Good for you. Hey, a live CD bailed me out last weekend when I
trashed the boot block on a Windows system, and it was necessary
to
boot Knoppix to restore it.
As President Kennedy said, "ask not what your country can do
for
you; ask what you can do for your country." An old Chinese
proverb says that
it is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.
I think I heard that once. :-)
I would like to think that I do some good, but I don't have an
infinite amount of time or energy. I can't do everything I'd
like
to, and there seems little point in embarking on a project such
as
this without at least a little "buy in".
Why get
on a
soapbox about what other people are doing when they have done
you
no harm?
That's a fair point. There have been more than a couple of times
that I've considered unsubscribing from Hardhats because I feel
like it no longer fits my interests or goals, but I guess I feel
strongly about VistA, too.
If you feel strongly about VistA on FreeBSD, why not turn your
energies to do something positive?
How do you know that I am not? I thought of posting some of my
work
on fMUMPS, but so far as I know, only one other member of this
list
has expressed any interest in it. I've been putting a fair
amount
of work into interpreting imperative languages using something
like
Peyton-Jones' G-machine. I've been exploring the use of virtual
machines in MUMPS for portability. Things I'd like to do, but
for
which I've had no time include tightening up Fileman and Kernel,
perhaps incorporating them into a language library. I would love
to
see an embedded VistA, a device people could simply turn on. And
you probably have no idea how much time I spend off list just
answering questions. I hardly think it fair to say I am not
doing
anything!
I will gladly render what
assistance
I can for you to get VistA running on a FreeBSD live CD.
I may take you up on that, but I think I have a ways to go
before I
reach that point.
===
Gregory Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Interaction is the mind-body problem of computing."
--Philip L. Wadler
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