Even in the 90nm configuration, the Intel is still significantly hotter
(significantly so).  

If you're comparing, it's somewhat difficult; AMD has two different 90 nm
chips on the market.. the newest being Venice.

Venice offers SSE3, which is new to the AMD family, and a newer memory
controller, it basically is coming in to replace the Newcastle core.

Now, here's the thing, so far, in all our tests, the SS3 function doesn't
make a giant bang in all applications (though it does in a few), but it
keeps AMD within 2-4% of DiVX encoding and basically dead on with encoding
Nero MP4, which is all I care about.

But more then that, the Venice runs so damn cool it's freakish, and it makes
overclocking with even standard fans a cinch.. 

The 3800+ Venice core, right now, is one hell of a bang/buck.  Below that
I'd put a 3500+ Venice, then the P4 (right now).  

Venice 3800 - $386
Intel 660 comparable: $620.

So, a little more then $80.  For that kind of price difference.. shew.  The
650, which would be closest comparable (about $80) is not a direct compare
to the 3800+ Venice, because in multiple areas (outside of encoding, where
it is neck & neck) it gets stomped.

CW



-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rls
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:43 PM
To: 'Brian Weeden'; 'The Hardware List'
Subject: [H] CPU Intel 6xx series v. AMD 939 (3 gig plus)

--- Note please comment if you have had hands on experience with both of
these CPU's

1 - AMD 939 with 90 nano design

And

2 - Intel 6xx  with 90 nano design


Both cpu's can operate in an 64-bit environement
Both cpu's are designed to run 'cooler'

The AMD is cheaper clock v clock
The Intel employs a 2 mg  cache to offset the lack of significant increased
clock speeds.


So the question - What was your overall impression of both systems?

Did the Intel display a clear superiority in video creation - and if the
video cards were the same, how about overall video performance. 

The Intel option is going to cost me about 70-80 more and I want to go that
direction as that motherboard has the overall features I want. I would feel
better about making the purchase if the Intel was faster in important areas.





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