welcome :)
On May 16, 2005, at 11:53 AM, Ahmed Saad wrote:
hi all... i'm a computer science student located in cairo, egypt with a
modest experience in c/c++ (wrote some bsd-style sockets and posix stuff)
and designing web applications with java/php.... i've just read about
harmony yesterday on slashdot and i'm just itching to be invloved... and i
totally agree that there must be an effort to put newbies, like me, on the
track.. i'll be more backgrouding, doin' research and pushing foreward
material as much as i can, and i hope i can catch up quickly with gurus down
here to code more and more....
regards,
ahmed
On 5/16/05, Patrice Le Vexier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It would be sad if the list really exponentially divide. I thing such a
big
project need a lot of people, and not only VM or compiler gurus. I think
one
of the big interest of this project is it can elevate the java knowledge
of
the community. But for that, an effort must be made to integrate new
comers
(I definitely am), by providing a good set of documentation and
references,
and may be, when it is possible, eating our own food, to avoid to create a
gap between peoples who already worked with technologies where are going
to
used, and others who not.
Some ideas to try to achieve that:
-providing clear documentations on all aspects we are going to work on,
-using a set of tool available on all main platforms (don't exclude
windows
people, it a J2SE, not just a server system)
-try to make it simple, even if the subject is very complicated,
If I think meritocracy is the best thing to make good piece of software,
some effort must be made to try to integrate more possible motivated
peoples. I definitely am too ;)
patrice
-----Message d'origine----- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, May 16, 2005 4:40 AM À : harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Objet : Re: Java
Mark Brooks wrote:
Hey, this is an Apache project. There is no lead - we're all peers.
Then we are doomed. :)
That's absurd.
But if you are looking for something to do .... how can we figure out the viability of this approach, and either park the idea as an interesting one but not appropriate for the project, or a good one that we'll keep going forward with?
I lack the requisite experience to take the lead on this. However, I
think we couldn't really make that determination until someone has
done
some high-level specifications and determined what exactly needs to be
done. That requires us to identify preliminary issues regarding the
build environment. Realistically, what is our timeframe here? If we
have 36 months, we might be able to achieve a lot. If somebody is
looking for something in the next 12 months, the project might have to
be scaled back.
Wow... So I'm guessing you've never worked on an open source project.
Welcome. Take a look around, you'll find many projects are governed
this way and accomplish great things without traditional project
management per se.
Exactly what IS Harmony? If the goal is an Apache-licensed J2SE 5.0
implementation, then we have two parts (1) the VM and (2) the class
library. Our requirements tool is the TCK -- but somebody still needs
to reduce that to a series of requirements and specifications so we
can
target what needs to be done and estimate how long it will take to do.
So stop complaining and start doing it. There are no appointed leaders,
that is not to say there are no leaders. Good leaders take action, set
an example and then others choose to follow. The TCK is not our
requirements tool per se. Open specifications are our first and
foremost tools. There is a reason for this, the TCK is governed my
nondisclosure agreements that will only make it open to key contributors
most likely Apache members. However, plenty of information is out there
that will allow everyone qualified to contribute. how will we filter
the qualfied? Frankly the population of this list will exponentially
divide once real coding starts :-)
-Andy
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