>If nothing else, I'd suggest this be in a FAQ somewhere so that it's clear >that "Harmony" intends to address just a small subset of the java world, not >even the one that gets the most "acrimony" in the press and on blogs. Including a good report on how well these work with the VM /NOW/. (conceptually everything should work, but practically...) -----Original Message----- From: Gary Affonso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 3:45 AM To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [arch] VM Candidate : JikesRVMhttp://jikesrvm.sourceforge.net/ On 5/20/05 3:38 AM, "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 19, 2005, at 10:29 PM, Renaud BECHADE wrote: > >> >> >> Another point that is unrelated, but what about the "packaging" of >> the VM? >> Do we plan to release it with say Eclipse + Server (JSF + IDE + >> object DB or >> O/R mapping + HSQL DB)? (IMHO this is good way to legitimate it) > > No. Why would we do this? I could see why someone (at least myself) might tend to think in this direction. This project has been called "Harmony" and, well, there's a lot in the Java world that could stand to be "Harmonized". The various ORM solutions, the IDE's, the webapp frameworks, etc. Hell, a good chunk of the "disharmony" with Java right now is serious rift between Sun, which pushes EJB, and the "lightweight" folks who are seeing a shocking (and, IMO, deserved) amount of success with creating and using an EJB alternative (Spring, Hibernate, etc.). I'm not saying I think this Harmony project should try to and harmonize any of those thing. It's got its job cut out for it to "harmonize" the various efforts around... * a JVM * a compiler * a class library ...without thinking about the upper layers of the Java stack. I think the scope of this effort is clear to those who are moderately "in the know". But it's not a big surprise (at least to me) that when moderately "out of the know" people hear "Java Harmony" they might think the effort extends beyond just the core components. Indeed, they'll probably assume that it addresses the aspects of Java that are, to many, are the most acrimonious to begin with (EJB vs Lightweight or NetBeans/Swing vs Eclipse/SWT). If nothing else, I'd suggest this be in a FAQ somewhere so that it's clear that "Harmony" intends to address just a small subset of the java world, not even the one that gets the most "acrimony" in the press and on blogs. - Gary