Lovely, that's exactly the kind of pointers that'll help me :)

Another thing occurred to me this evening, and that is that xdoclet must be extremely similar to javadoc. I will have a poke around with that too and see if it isn't doable.

Jeremy

On 9-Feb-06, at 6:03 PM, Tim Ellison wrote:

You may find it useful to take a look at the Eclipse Java AST APIs,

http://help.eclipse.org/help31/index.jsp?topic=/ org.eclipse.jdt.doc.isv/reference/api/org/eclipse/jdt/core/dom/ AST.html http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-ast/? ca=dgr-lnxw97ASTParser
http://eclipsecon.org/2005/presentations/EclipseCON2005_Tutorial29.pdf
...

specifically the javadoc node

Regards,
Tim

Jeremy Huiskamp wrote:
First the disclaimer: I have zero experience with writing such tools and
precious little with compilers.  I'm just spewing what I think but if
there are accepted ways of doing these things, it'd be great for anyone to step in and school me. I'm here to learn, hopefully by contributing :)

What I'm thinking (and maybe this is dead obvious) is that there are
lots of high level tasks that javac and javadoc will have in common:
-understanding and parsing the syntax of the language itself
-the relevant parts of that are anything that you can javadoc: types,
fields, methods...
-the relation of classes in a package hierarchy, like when a method
takes an @arg of type java.lang.String, you've got to resolve that and
produce a link to the String javadoc
-essentially having the ability to take a target dir and produce a
walkable data structure of all it's contents

Of course, it's not a perfect match.  Javadoc needs to treat javadoc
comments as different from other comments (not toss them) and it doesn't need to understand things at a level finer than, say, methods (doesn't need to know about if statements, loops, etc). But there's enough there that the javadoc front end could essentially be the javac frontend with the addition of handling the actual javadoc contents. Then, of course, the back end of the compiler spits out .class files while javadoc spits
out html or whatever other format you need, but that's the reason for
the separation between front and back ends :)

What I could do is take the eclipse compiler and see what parts of it
can be reused.  I don't know anything about it so I won't offer any
speculation now.  Also, obviously eclipse has it's own javadoc
functionality.  Is that something that can be borrowed?

Assuming the easy case, that the tools are all there for poaching with minimal work, what would the proper action be? It could be stated that
harmony will use the eclipse tools and you should go get them from
eclipse if you want them (at least for the time being, until harmony
gets to the point of being packaged up as a useable jdk).  I gather
that's the current status of the compiler.  Or harmony could host the
currently accepted binaries.  Or the source code could be taken into
svn, in which case there's the question of keeping in sync with the
original tool. In all likelihood, it won't be that simple and harmony
will have some of it's own modifications...

Having asked so many questions, I'm now expecting to be told that
whatever I feel like doing will be better than nothing :-p I'm off to
see what I can find out about the eclipse toolset.

Jeremy

On 9-Feb-06, at 1:41 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:



Jeremy Huiskamp wrote:
What would be the suggested route for coming up with a javadoc tool?

Open up an editor, and start typing! :)

  Is
there something out there now that could be imported and shaped up?
At the other extreme, I'm envisioning busting out jflex/cup and doing a from-scratch implementation. I'm thinking there would be a lot of overlapping functionality with the front end of a compiler so should
the two tools be considered together?  Harmony doesn't have a start
on it's own compiler yet, correct?

We were planning to just use the eclipse compiler. No reason to rewrite.

I guess the best thing to do is do a quick write-up on how you might
go about this.  Someone here must have some ideas to share too...

geir

Jeremy
On 31-Jan-06, at 2:14 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Ok - this isn't about the finer points of confusion surrounding
documentation....

We need a javadoc tool for Harmony.

The current conversation is a diversion from this, which I recall
was the original motivation behind the current generation of this
discussion.

So, anyone interested?  We need all the tooling actually...

geir



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