The text I have seen implies that distributing "with the application" is ok and in svn is as close as we can get to that.
-Mark. On 3/31/06, Tim Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Hindess wrote: > > I agree with Geir. For now, it would be safer to put it back in svn > > and not download it. > > Hmm, I don't get it -- why would it be ok for Apache to make it > available independently via SVN? > > Regards, > Tim > > > Tim, if you back this out, can you leave the macrodef and other > > changes in place in make/depends.xml? > > > > Regards, > > Mark. > > > > On 3/31/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I have no worries that we can re-distribute. It would be insane if we > >> couldn't. > >> > >> But I don't want to be setting up and distributing software - our build > >> system - that is a mechanism for contributory infringement of > >> Microsoft's license agreement by automatically pulling down the .dll > >> from a source that is in violation of that license. > >> > >> geir > >> > >> Paulex Yang wrote: > >>> Well, so I have another question, if our concern is just whether the > >>> msvcr71.dll can be redistributable _independently_, why we need to > >>> download it rather than distributing it with Harmony? > >>> > >>> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Tim Ellison wrote: > >>>>> The Microsoft VisualStudio redist.txt allows it to be redistributed, > >>>>> > >>>>> "The following list reflects all files available with Microsoft Visual > >>>>> Studio for redistribution;... > >>>>> ... > >>>>> msvcr71.dll > >>>>> ... > >>>>> " > >>>>> > >>>>> and the MSDN website [1] says: > >>>>> > >>>>> "An application should use and redistribute msvcr71.dll, and it should > >>>>> avoid placing a copy or using an existing copy of msvcr71.dll in the > >>>>> system directory. Instead, the application should keep a copy of > >>>>> msvcr71.dll in its application directory with the program executable." > >>>>> > >>>>> So is the question, can _anyone_ (i.e. "dlldump.com") redistribute this > >>>>> file? > >>>> Or to make the question more precise, can anyone redistribute this > >>>> file _independent_ of the application? That's my concern. > >>>> > >>>> geir > >>>> > >>>>> [1] > >>>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vclib/html/_crt_c_run.2d.time_libraries.asp > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> Tim > >>>>> > >>>>> Paulex Yang wrote: > >>>>>> I'm not a lawyer, but as to my knowledge, many commercial as well as > >>>>>> open source software distribution includes msvcr71.dll, say, wincvs, > >>>>>> ImageMagick, VMWare, OpenOffice, etc(just a few cases). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And the vctoolkit2003's EULA says: > >>>>>> "2.2 Redistributable Code-General. Microsoft grants you a nonexclusive, > >>>>>> royalty-free right to reproduce and distribute the object code form of > >>>>>> any portion of the Software listed in REDIST.TXT ("Redistributable > >>>>>> Code"). For general redistribution requirements for Redistributable > >>>>>> Code, see Section3.1, below. " > >>>>>> > >>>>>> but its redist.txt doesn't list any files! it says: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "There are no redistributable files (i.e., dll's/cab's, etc.) included > >>>>>> with the Visual C++ Toolkit 2003. Object library files included with > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 (e.g. the C Runtime Library static libraries > >>>>>> designated with the suffix ".lib") will be automatically linked to your > >>>>>> program when they are compiled by the Visual C++ compiler and linker. > >>>>>> Inclusion of these static libraries as compiled into your program is > >>>>>> acceptable; you may not, however, redistribute the static libraries > >>>>>> standalone - on their own." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> While MSDN also said files in redist.txt is redistributable, the > >>>>>> VS.net's redist.txt DOES include msvcr71.dll. Does it mean only > >>>>>> VisualStudio user can redistribute it? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [1] > >>>>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vccore/html/vcconalistofredistributablefiles.asp > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > >>>>>>> This gives me the heebie-jeebies. What is the license for that dll? > >>>>>>> Are people allowed to re-distribute independent of an app that uses > >>>>>>> it? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Where else can people get it? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Tim Ellison wrote: > >>>>>>>> Ok, if somebody prefers a different source send a note. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>> Tim > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Mark Hindess wrote: > >>>>>>>>> I failed to find it on microsoft.com too. Though I'd be happy to be > >>>>>>>>> corrected. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> It was the first hit on the google search I did - or the first that > >>>>>>>>> didn't use javascript and popups to serve the download. It's trivial > >>>>>>>>> to change if you find a better source. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I was careful to make sure the file it served had the md5sum of the > >>>>>>>>> file in svn. I also checked the sha1sum just to be a little more > >>>>>>>>> confident of its validity. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>> -Mark. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 3/30/06, Tim Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Is "www.dlldump.com" our chosen supplier? I've never heard of them. > >>>>>>>>>> I browsed around and didn't see it anywhere on the microsoft.com > >>>>>>>>>> website. I know we are checking the MD5 to ensure we get the right > >>>>>>>>>> thing; any idea about reliability etc. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>>> Tim > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Mark Hindess (JIRA) wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> download msvcr71.dll rather than distributing it > >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Key: HARMONY-282 > >>>>>>>>>>> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-282 > >>>>>>>>>>> Project: Harmony > >>>>>>>>>>> Type: Improvement > >>>>>>>>>>> Components: Classlib > >>>>>>>>>>> Reporter: Mark Hindess > >>>>>>>>>>> Priority: Trivial > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Tim suggested we should download the msvcr71.dll rather than > >>>>>>>>>>> distributing it. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Tim Ellison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >>>>>>>>>> IBM Java technology centre, UK. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Mark Hindess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>>> IBM Java Technology Centre, UK. > >>>>>>>>> > >>> > > > > > > -- > > Mark Hindess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > IBM Java Technology Centre, UK. > > -- > > Tim Ellison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > IBM Java technology centre, UK. > -- Mark Hindess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> IBM Java Technology Centre, UK.
