Dalibor Topic wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:

Maybe - or just declaring a patent peace or patent commons. I think that there's nothing wrong with proprietary software, so if they want to keep competing using it, great.

I don't see a point in proprietary JVMs, and class libraries for major operating systems, in today's situation.

The only purpose I could see them used for is as a tool for attacks on the integrity of the platform through locking in users into proprietary extensions.

How about performance, either in speed, real-time predictability, memory usage/footprint, reliability, serviceability, manageabliity?

I can see all of these, and none of these are an attack on the Java compatiblity promise.

Sure, they are features that are beyond the scope of the specs, and sure, you may be "locked in" in the sense you depend on some feature (integration with your favorite management system), but your programs are portable...

I don't think the market would be able to sort out a distributor with a strong channel, like IBM, that went that route, as our experience in Apache Harmony
with code using unspecified sun.* classes shows.

LOL. What experience is that? What we're doing this is just supporting what has become the 'de facto' spec from Sun. :)


'Never again' should be the motto for IBM & BEA, imho. They should let deeds follow the open letters, and open up their
proprietary implementations.

I don't disagree - I'd love it if they offered the source for J9 or JRocket to Harmony :)

geir


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