Let's stay on the issue. A librarian in St. Ann school wrote it on a blog for independent schools. We need to put facts on the same blog not on the definition of Palestine but answer the question: Is it true or propaganda ? I prefer to wait till we get a reply from Israel. Shabbat shalom, Amalia
Sent from my iPad On Oct 24, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Donald Weinshank <donweinsh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Before belaboring this topic further, GOOGLE (arab map palestine) > > You will likely get to > > https://www.google.com/search?q=arab+map+of+palestine&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a > > > > Anything missing? > > > > ___________________________________________ > Dr. Don Weinshank Professor Emeritus Comp. Sci. & Eng. > 1520 Sherwood Ave., East Lansing MI 48823-1885 > Ph. 517.337.1545 FAX 517.337.1665 > weins...@cse.msu.edu > http://www.cse.msu.edu/~weinshan > Anybody who is not paranoid about PHISHing is crazy. > > ___________________________________________ > Dr. Don Weinshank Professor Emeritus Comp. Sci. & Eng. > 1520 Sherwood Ave., East Lansing MI 48823-1885 > Ph. 517.337.1545 FAX 517.337.1665 > weins...@cse.msu.edu > http://www.cse.msu.edu/~weinshan > Anybody who is not paranoid about PHISHing is crazy. > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Lee Jaffe <ldja...@ucsc.edu> wrote: >> Thanks for pointing this out. When the original post went by, I didn't pay >> it much attention. >> >> I have two reactions/observations. First, as there is no legitimate entity >> known as "Palestine" currently, the term is suspect and provocative. It's >> the term given to the region after the Roman conquest and it referred to a >> much larger area – including Lebanon, Syria and Jordan - than the tiny >> parcels that are now the State of Israel and the disputed territories >> claimed by the Palestinian authority. The Roman territory of Palestina, >> Ottoman Palestine, the Palestinian Mandate are all historical terms for >> pretty much the same area. Under the British Mandate, "Palestinian" >> referred to Jewish settlers; the Palestine Post is now the Jerusalem Post >> and the Palestine Symphony Orchestra is now the Israel Philharmonic >> Orchestra. If you watch the film "Exodus," there is a scene early in the >> film where the British officer in charge of the internment camps on Cyprus >> calls for the "Palestinian representative" and Paul Newman appears on behalf >> of the Jewish community. When the Palestinian people, the Palestinian >> Authority, and the many factions claiming to represent their interests >> engage in a peace process that results in a two state solution, they may >> very well name the new country "Palestine." >> >> Sadly, many people who claim to support the national aspirations of the >> Palestinian people use the term "Palestine" to include the State of Israel. >> In other words, the notion of Palestine in the modern context implies the >> end of the State of Israel. >> >> My second point: When someone sends out a report from a fantasy land called >> "Palestine" everything they say needs to be taken with a grain of salt. >> I've heard many stories about draconian measures Israel wages against >> non-Jews/non-citizens living in the occupied/disputed territories. Some of >> this material may well be true but often it turns out that the "facts" are >> actually half-truths and even complete lies. >> >> In this case, there does seem to be kernel of truth to the claim, as >> evidenced in an article in Haaretz: >> >> Bashir told Haaretz that most of the Arab-language books sold in Israel are >> imported from Lebanon, and that the authorities frequently overlook the law >> banning book trade with enemy states. He said the customs authorities often >> slap expensive duties on imported Arabic books, so Arab-language volumes are >> usually more expensive in Israel than elsewhere in the Middle East. "Israel >> bans Lebanese edition of Jewish philosophical work," May 15, 2012 >> >> In this case it's a half-truth: Israel bans all trade with "enemy states" >> but makes exceptions for books. Israel and Lebanon have been technically at >> war since 1948. (One pro-Arab blog claims that Israel has banned books from >> Lebanon and Syria since 1939; quite a trick since Israel didn't exist until >> 1948.) >> >> On the other hand, Lebanon bans and criminalizes anything Israeli. The >> Diary of Anne Frank is banned there for portraying "Jews, Israel or Zionism >> favorably" (Wikipedia). No one is admitted Lebanon if they have an Israeli >> stamp in their passport. And Lebanese citizens can be jailed for talking to >> Israelis they meet when they are abroad. >> >> It's unfortunate that the state of war between Lebanon and Israel means that >> goods from Lebanon – which is a major publishing center in the Arab world – >> means that Arabic books aren't available in Israel. The fact that Israel >> makes an exception for books in a mutually hostile situation suggests to me >> that Israel is doing exactly the opposite of what the report claims. And >> that the Mermelstein piece is essentially a lie and a libel. >> >> Lee >> >> On 10/24/13, 11:50 AM, Noreen Wachs wrote: >>> Dear Safranim, >>> >>> I belong to a library organization called the Hudson Valley Library >>> Association (HVLA). Most of the Independent schools in the New York City >>> area belong to this organization. They recently send out this blog post >>> on their website about libraries in Palestine by Hannah Mermelstein, a >>> librarian in the St. Anne’s school in Brooklyn. >>> >>> I was upset about this post which I felt was very biased against Israel. >>> I would be very interested in hearing from other safranim about the >>> accuracy of the facts and the political bias expressed in the article. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Noreen Wachs >>> >>> Librarian >>> >>> Ramaz Middle School >>> >>> 114 East 85 Street >>> >>> New York, NY 10028 >>> >>> >>> Librarians and Archivists to Palestine >>> >>> Below this note is a guest post by Hannah Mermelstein, a librarian at >>> Saint Ann’s School in Brooklyn. In the summer of 2013, she led the >>> Librarians and Archivists to Palestine >>> <http://librarians2palestine.wordpress.com/> delegation. >>> >>> Last summer I traveled to Palestine with a group of sixteen librarians >>> and archivists in order to connect with Palestinian colleagues in >>> libraries, archives, and related projects and institutions and to gain >>> mutual benefit through information exchange and skill-sharing. For the >>> past ten years, I have been working in Palestine in various capacities, >>> including with many delegations, but this was the first time I was >>> fortunate enough to be able to merge my two worlds – Palestine and >>> librarianship. What I’d like to share with you is some of what I learned >>> from Palestinian school librarians and youth services librarians in >>> particular, both in the West Bank and inside Israel. >>> >>> Near Ramallah, in the central West Bank, we spoke with staff from Al >>> Bireh Public Library and from the Tamer Institute about the obstacles to >>> obtaining quality children’s literature in Arabic. Much of the best >>> Arabic kids’ literature these days is published in Beirut, and the >>> Israeli government (which controls all borders of the West Bank) does >>> not let books in from Lebanon. Even when libraries try to obtain >>> Arabic-language books through third parties, the books are often held up >>> in Customs for months. Whether they’re ultimately allowed in or not >>> seems somewhat arbitrary, and the libraries are required to pay for the >>> costs of holding them in Customs. A Swedish librarian who was on our >>> delegation commented that at the Madaa Silwan Creative Center in >>> Jerusalem, she saw more books translated from Swedish into Arabic than >>> originally written in Arabic, and she has more books originally written >>> in Arabic in her library in Stockholm than they do at the center! The >>> Tamer Institute for Community Education has tried to mitigate the >>> negative effects of these Israeli restrictions by co-publishing a few >>> titles with publishers in Beirut, and by publishing a few of their own >>> as well, but their efforts are not adequate to meet the needs of the >>> children they’re serving. >>> >>> In Haifa, the situation is even more difficult. Although supposedly a >>> “mixed city” of Jewish and Palestinian citizens of Israel, Haifa has 22 >>> public library branches that primarily serve the Jewish community, and >>> only one that serves the Palestinian community. Even this one branch is >>> privately funded by an NGO, rather than by the Israeli government. We >>> spoke to a number of Palestinian school and public librarians in Haifa >>> who, because of difficulty traveling between Israel and the West Bank, >>> are largely unable to supplement their collections with books put out by >>> the Tamer Institute. Instead, most of their Arabic language books are >>> low-quality translations of Hebrew books, effectively denying >>> Palestinian citizens of Israel their literary heritage. This must be >>> seen in its larger context, librarians told us, in which the Israeli >>> government has for decades tried to erase Palestinian identity by >>> calling Palestinians inside Israel “Israeli Arabs” or “Arab Israelis.” >>> So whereas the availability of quality Arabic children’s literature >>> could be a powerful way to preserve Palestinian identity and culture, >>> the lack of availability further demoralizes the community. >>> >>> I’ve shared these stories with a few people upon return from Palestine, >>> and they’ve been moved to try to organize book deliveries to Palestine. >>> Our delegation has had similar thoughts, but we must be careful how we >>> approach this. Librarians in Palestine made it clear to us that they are >>> not looking for a charity model. Not only can charity easily be >>> accompanied by a colonialist attitude, but it simply won’t work. Large >>> shipments of books would be held up at Customs for months, and smaller >>> deliveries would do more to make us feel good about ourselves than make >>> any significant dent in a system designed to prevent such a project. >>> Palestinian libraries in the West Bank and inside Israel face a >>> political problem that is at the core of any economic or humanitarian >>> problems we might more easily address. But this should not stall our >>> work. We are beginning conversations about effective follow-up, and we >>> hope others will join us in these efforts. In the meantime, we can >>> support some of the amazing organizations that are doing such important >>> work on the ground. Here are a few: >>> >>> The Tamer Institute for Community Education <http://www.tamerinst.org/> >>> – based in Ramallah with partners throughout the West Bank and Gaza Strip >>> >>> Lajee Center <http://www.lajee.org/> in Aida refugee camp, Bethlehem – >>> youth center that has, among other things, conducted workshops with >>> children in which they have written and illustrated their own children’s >>> books >>> >>> Madaa Silwan Creative Center <http://www.madaasilwan.org/> in Jerusalem >>> – many amazing programs, including a library. They even published their >>> own Palestinian cookbook! >>> >>> To keep in touch with the delegation: >>> >>> Our website <http://librarians2palestine.wordpress.com/> – Here you can >>> read more and see the statement we put out shortly after we returned. >>> >>> Like us on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/Librarians2Palestine>. >>> >>> Follow us on Twitter <https://twitter.com/Librarians2Pal>. >>> >>> Email lapannounce-subscr...@lists.riseup.net >>> <mailto:lapannounce-subscr...@lists.riseup.net> to join our (very!) >>> low-volume email list. >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual >>> author >>> and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries >>> (AJL) >>> ================================== >>> Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: >>> Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu >>> To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: >>> https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran >>> Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: galro...@osu.edu >>> Ha-Safran Archives: >>> Current: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html >>> Earlier Listserver: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html >>> AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org >>> -- >>> Hasafran mailing list >>> Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu >>> https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran >> >> __ >> Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual >> author >> and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) >> ================================== >> Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: >> Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu >> To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: >> https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran >> Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: galro...@osu.edu >> Ha-Safran Archives: >> Current: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html >> Earlier Listserver: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html >> AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org >> -- >> Hasafran mailing list >> Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu >> https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran > > __ > Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author > and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) > ================================== > Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: > Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu > To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: > https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran > Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: galro...@osu.edu > Ha-Safran Archives: > Current: > http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html > Earlier Listserver: > http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html > AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org > -- > Hasafran mailing list > Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu > https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran
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